Update 7/10/20. Plexus Slim is billed as an “affordable weight management product” that boasts “no ill side effects” based on “extensive clinical research.” Impressive, but does PlexusSlim work or is it a scam? And does it really have no side effects? I was tipped off to Plexus Slim by one of the readers of this website. After looking at its ingredients, I wanted to write a review of Plexus Slim because of the words used to describe the product and because Plexus Slim seemed to have ingredients that I have never heard of before. Let's see what we can discover about this weight loss drink. Also read my review of the Plexus Accelerator Plus (Accelerator +) and Plexus Boost, Plexus ProBio5 and Plexus Hunger Control after you read this, for additional information.
Update: The formula for Plexus Slim was changed a bit since this review was written so also read the review of the new plexus slim formula.
Who Makes Plexus Slim?
According to the Better Business Bureau, the company that makes Plexus Slim – Plexus Worldwide Inc. – was started in 2005 in Arizona. The address of the company is 7440 E. Karen Dr. #400, Scottsdale, AZ 85260.
Update. PlexusWorldWide.com, the company website, now lists this corporate address: 15649 N. Greenway Hayden Loop Scottsdale, AZ 85260. Googling this address shows a large building that says “Plexus Slim” on the outside. That's good.
Update. The Better Business Bureau now lists this address for the company: 9145 E Pima Center Pkwy Scottsdale, AZ 85258-4627
The BBB gives Plexus Slim a rating of “A+” See the BBB file for updates and other information.
To buy Plexus Slim it looks like you either have to buy it from the company or through a PlexusSlim distributor. They call Plexus Slim distributors “Ambassadors“. On the Plexus Slim website, they have a calendar of Plexus Slim events.
These events serve not only to sell Plexus Slim but also to recruit new Ambassadors. Plexus Slim has a multi-level marketing (MLM) aspect to it.
I have no problem with MLM. If the product is reputable, MLM allows people to make an income which can be significant.
Plexus Slim Nutrition Information
In an effort to keep this review up to date, here are the ingredients in Plexus Slim as they appeared in 2016. According to the label shown on the product website, each packet of Plexus Slim has the following nutrition information and ingredients:
| Ingredient | Amount Per Serving | Percent Daily Value |
|---|---|---|
| Calories | 10 calories | |
| Total Carbohydrdate | 3 grams | 1% DV |
| Chromium Polynicotinate | 200 micrograms | 167% DV |
| Plexus Slim Blend (composed of the following) | 530 mg | N/A |
| Garcinia Cambogia Fruit Extract | ||
| Green Coffee Bean Extract | ||
| Alpha Lipoic Acid |
In the table above, N/A means no daily value established.
Each of the ingredients will be summarized below. I will leave in the summaries of the ingredients present in the original plexus slim formula too to help others doing their own research.
See the review of the new plexus slim formula too.
Plexus Slim Ingredients
Polydextrose
This is a type of soluble fiber. In theory, this might help weight loss since it has no calories and is a type of fiber. Polydextrose might cause gas and bloating.
Citric Acid
In some products, citric acid is used as a preservative and to enhance flavor. While it naturally occurs in citrus fruits, its use in foods/ supplements may be from natural or synthetic means.
Beet Root
If Plexus Slim uses the entire beetroot, the fiber content of the beetroot might help foster some weight loss because it adds bulk to the stomach contents. That said, I can't locate any evidence that beetroot helps people lose weight. The product label states the beetroot is to give the product color. Beets do have a red color. Beetroot probably contributes to the pink color of the product.
Beets and beetroot juice have gotten attention from the scientific community because of their ability to raise nitric oxide, a compound that can relax blood vessels, allowing blood to more easily travel through the body. See my review of SuperBeets for more on this topic.
Grape Skin Extract
Grape skin contains phytonutrients such as proanthocyanidins and proanthocyanidins which act as antioxidants. While this is very good, does grape skin extract help people lose weight? Other than having some fiber (which might act as a laxative) I can't find any proof that it does.
Update. I'm told Plexus Slim no longer contains grape skin extract
Lo Han Extract
The scientific name for this ingredient is Siraitia grosvenorii. This is also called “lou han guo” and “monk fruit.” By either name, it's often used as a sweetener. This ingredient, like steveia below, is likely added for flavoring.
Stevia
This is a sweetener. Some supplement companies may call it by another name -“rebaudioside A.”
Stevia is added to many low-calorie foods. In theory, using low calorie (or no-calorie) sweeteners might help weight loss but I'm not sure if this is the answer. There are MANY low-calorie foods and beverages on the US market, yet Americans are not slimmer than they were, say, in the 1980s.
Natural Flavors
They don't tell us what these natural flavors are. To be fair, most companies don't. They don't have to under the law. Regardless, I doubt any of them play a role in weight loss.
Green Coffee Bean
This is also called Chlorogenic Acid. One study published in 2010 noted that chlorogenic acid helped weight loss and increased fat burning when in rats that were fed a high-fat diet (37% of calories from fat).
This is interesting even though it's a rat study. Another rat study also noted that mulberries (which also contain chlorogenic acid) helped the weight loss. But was it the chlorogenic acid – or all the other stuff mulberries?
In one small study 16 overweight people were given either a placebo or different amounts of green coffee extract (which contains chlorogenic acid) at either 700 mg or 1050 mg day for 6 weeks (each person was given each treatment for 6 weeks).
People getting the green coffee extract (both dosage amounts) were shown to have significant reductions in body weight, body mass and percent body fat compared to placebo. The type of green coffee extract used in this study was supplied by Applied Food Sciences Inc.
Retracted
It sounds great BUT, the study has been “retracted.” This means it should not be considered as evidence due to errors with how the study was performed. In the words of the authors, the study was retracted because the authors could not “assure the validity of the data.” Click here to read the retraction.
See the Green Bean Coffee Review for more information.
See the weight loss supplement scam review.
Rosmarinic Acid
This is a plant chemical found in many herbs, including rosemary. This is probably where Rosmarinic Acid gets its name from. Rosmarinic acid has antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties. I was unable to find any studies showing that Rosmarinic Acid helps weight loss in humans or animals.
Hydroxycinnamic Acid
This compound is an antioxidant but whether or not it contributes to weight loss needs further study.
Garcinia Cambogia
This was originally called “Citrin K” when I first reviewed Plexus Slim. Garcinia cambogia is found in MANY weight loss supplements because of some research that it might reduce appetite and help weight loss. Right now, I think all anyone can say is maybe it works or maybe it doesn't work.
In this study, 500 mg of garcinia Cambogia did not help people lose weight. I mention this because if this study is correct, then it might take more than 500 mg of garcinia Cambogia if it's going to work. The entire proprietary blend in Plexus Slim adds up to 530 mg. While Garcinia Cambogia is the first ingredient listed – which presumably means it makes up the most of the blend – how much that equates to, I cannot say.
See the Garcinia Cambogia review
Also, read the review of supplements linked to liver failure.
Alpha-lipoic Acid
This is an antioxidant and it helps it turn carbs into energy. It can also help regenerate other antioxidants, which is pretty snazzy.
There are a few studies of alpha-lipoic acid and weight loss. In one study, alpha-lipoic acid was randomly given to 360 obese people for 20 weeks. Half got a placebo and half got alpha-lipoic acid (either 1200 mg/day or 1800 
mg per day). Those getting alpha-lipoic acid lost more weight than those who got the placebo. Basically, people lose about 2% of their body mass.
In another study, 1127 overweight people were given 800 mg of alpha-lipoic acid a day for 4 months. This study noted that alpha-lipoic acid, at the dosage given, helped people lose about 8% of their body weight over 4 months.
So if you were 200 pounds, alpha lipoic acid might help you lose about 200 x .08 = 16 pounds. That is a significant amount in my book.
One possible problem with this study though was that it doesn't appear that there was a placebo group to compare the weight loss too. I was also unable to determine (because I only read the summary of the study) if people combined alpha-lipoic acid with eating fewer calories (I think they might have ).
Alpha-lipoic acid is the last ingredient listed in the proprietary blend. As such, it likely makes up the least of the 530 mg total.
Oxypregnane Steroidal Glycoside
This is a pretty fancy name but you have heard of this stuff before. Oxypregnane steroidal glycoside – is just a fancy way of saying Hoodia! Here is a study that proves that both names mean the same thing.
I think they call it Oxypregnane steroidal glycoside because they are trying to make the product sound different and special. In reality, it's just hoodia Gordonii.
The other fancy name for hoodia is P57AS3 – you have probably seen this listed in other supplements as “P57“.
I've already reviewed hoodia and weight loss. Other supplements that I've reviewed previously that contain hoodia include the
For at least 10 years, hoodia Gordonii has been in more weight loss supplements than you can shake a stick at – but there is no good proof that hoodia supplements help people lose weight.
Study. Researchers gave hoodia or a placebo to 50 overweight people for 2 weeks. The people in the study were allowed to eat as much as they wanted from a menu provided by the researchers. Results: hoodia did not cause any weight loss.
While no serious side effects were reported, researchers did note that people who got hoodia had higher blood pressures and heart rates compared to people who got the placebo. Hoodia also seems to cause elevations in bilirubin and alkaline phosphatase. What caused these changes I do not know.
Update. Plexus slim no longer contains hoodia. See my review on the New Plexus Slim Formula for more info on how it has changed.
Chromium Polynicotinate
Plexus slim contains a type of chromium they call “amino nicotinate”. This is fancy talk for “chromium nicotinate”. (it is now called “chromium polynicotinate on the label).
You may have heard Dr. Oz talk about chromium polynicotinate on TV. I reviewed what Dr Oz had to say about this form of chromium and I am guessing that this is why Plexus Slim includes chromium nicotinate over the sometimes more popular, chromium picolinate.
Chromium may help lower blood sugar levels but as for its effects on weight loss, I am highly skeptical. For more on chromium, see my reviews of chromium weight loss research and chromium polynicotinate.
Blood Sugar Lowering Ingredients
As a quick reference, the following ingredients might reduce blood sugar:
- Alpha-lipoic acid
- Chromium nicotinate (now called chromium polynicotinate)
Fiber Ingredients
As a quick reference, the following ingredients all might add fiber to Plexus Slim:
- Polydextrose
- Grape skin (no longer in plexus slim) See my review of the new PS formula.
- Hoodia (maybe. no longer in Plexus Slim)
How Much Does Plexus Slim Cost?
One of the slogans for Plexus Slim is “At last, an affordable weight management product.” I guess that depends on how you define “affordable”. On the Plexus Slim website, they have different prices depending on whether you want to buy it just once or be billed each month automatically.
If you want to buy Plexus Slim one time only, its $84.95. If you want to be billed automatically at the 15th of each month, Plexus Slim is $79.95/ month.
Is Plexus Slim OK When Breast-Feeding?
Some women have wondered if they can take Plexus Slim while they are breastfeeding? That's not something I would recommend because if any of the ingredients in Plexus Slim pass into breast milk, then their baby will be getting those ingredients too.
I don't know for sure if any of the ingredients do get absorbed into breast milk, so I do recommend that women take the ingredients in Plexus Slim to their doctor to see if they can get a better answer.
How Much Caffeine?
The Plexus Slim Nutrition label states that it has less than 2% of naturally occurring caffeine. My guess is that the caffeine comes from the green coffee bean extract because this statement is listed next to the green coffee bean ingredient on the label. I'm not sure how much 2% natural caffeine equals.
Plexus Slim and ADHD
Since writing this review I've heard that this product may be marketed to help Attention Deficient Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). A search on Google reveals several testimonials from people saying that it helps. I became curious and searched for “Plexus ADHD research.” I searched Google for this phrase and I also searched the National Library of Medicine too.
I saw no clinical studies on this topic. Therefore, whether it Plexus helps ADHD or not is unknown as far as I can tell. Nobody appears to have undertaken the chore of taking this stuff into the lab and actually tried to really see if it helps or not.
The same thing also seems to be true for bipolar disorder and depression. I cannot find any evidence Plexus Slim directly helps either of these conditions either.
Having said that, lack of evidence doesn't necessarily mean something does not work. Rather, it just means that it seems that, other than testimonials (from people most of us don't know), there doesn't seem to be any good proof for it yet.
How To Contact Plexus Slim
PlexusWorldWide lists this contact phone number: 480-998-3490 which people can call 6 AM-6 PM (PST) Monday -Friday and 9 AM-2 PM (PST) on Saturday.
How To Return Plexus Slim
Plexus Slim products come with a 60-day money-back guarantee. For those who purchased from Plexus Ambassadors, contact that person for details on how to return the product, or call the company itself at 480-998-3490.
Does Plexus Slim Have Any Side Effects?
On the Q and A page of the Plexus Slim website (question 7) where it's asked: “Will Plexus Slim interfere or react with any medications or other supplements?” the makers say: ” No. Extensive clinical research has demonstrated no ill side effects with any medications or other supplements.”
Where is all the “extensive clinical research” on Plexus Slim? As far as I can tell, Plexus Slim has NEVER been tested in published studies to see if it interacts with any medication or health condition.
The only study I've seen on Plexus Slim is a summary of a study they show on their website. This is a study from 2008 where they gave the product to 8 people with type II diabetes. Yes, improvements were seen in blood sugar, body weight and other things, but this is not a published, peer reviewed study. As such, there is a lot we are not told about how this study was conducted. It may be the best study in the world, but if we can't see how it was conducted, then it can't be duplicated by other scientists.
That said, in healthy people, I think Plexus Slim (the pink drink product) is safe. Below are some theoretical side effects based on its ingredients.
Grape skin. Some components of grape skin might interfere with medications such as Coumadin (a blood thinner). I'm not aware of any human evidence of this, but because blood thinners can intact with many things, its best to talk to a doctor about this. Update. grape skin is no longer in plexus slim
Chlorogenic acid. This compound might raise homocysteine levels in humans. Homocysteine is a somewhat controversial molecule because some feel it might be linked to heart disease.
See my review of chlorogenic acid for more info.
Citrin K/ Garcinia cambogia. There is some controversial evidence that Garcinia Cambogia may be linked to liver problems. Personally, I'm not yet convinced it does this. For more info on this see my review of garcinia Cambogia.
Alpha-lipoic acid. This ingredient appears to lower blood sugar. Because of this, alpha-lipoic acid might interfere with insulin and other diabetes medications. Alpha-lipoic acid seems to reduce thyroid hormone levels. This can be a problem for people who take Levothyroxin for hypothyroidism (low thyroid).
Hoodia. As I reported in my book on supplements hoodia Gordonii seems to share some chemical similarity to a class of heart drugs called cardiac glycosides. In fact, if you Google “Hoodia and cardiac glycosides.” I don’t know the clinical significance of this. That said, if you have heart or blood pressure issues please see your cardiologist before using any hoodia supplement, just to be safe.
Chromium may lower blood sugar levels. While this can be a good thing, it also means chromium might interact with blood-sugar-lowering medications. This might – in theory – make blood sugar levels to too low.
As a general, blanket statement, I would be cautious if you have any problems with your heart, blood pressure, kidneys, liver, mental disorders, diabetes or digestive problems. I would not recommend Plexus Slim if you had bariatric surgery either. To their credit, the makers of Plexus Slim do say to see your doctor first if you are pregnant. I agree with this.
The Plexus Slim Accelerator
Update: The Accelerator formula has changed significantly and the product is now called Plexus Accelerator Plus (Accelerator +). Do read my review of the Plexus Accelerator Plus for additional information on the new product.
This is another product sold on the Plexus Slim website. The word “accelerator” is a tip-off that this product is a stimulant.
The Plexus Slim Accelerator contains trace minerals, calcium, and magnesium from seaweed (both are useless for weight loss) and vitamin B6 (useless for weight loss). The accelerator also has a “proprietary blend” of:
- Dark Chocolate – won't help weight loss, unless it has caffeine
- Natural Caffeine – natural or not, it's caffeine!
- Green Tea Extract – probably has caffeine or EGCG
- Vanadium Chelate. This is the fancy name for Vanadium. It won't help weight loss.
- B-Phenylethylamine HCl – might act as a neuro-chemical. Avoid if you take antidepressants.
The Plexus Slim Accelerator also has an ingredient called GeranaX. GeranaX is a reference to geranium oil. Geranium oil is controversial in some circles because it is thought by some to be a natural source of a stimulant called Dimethylamylamineor “DMAA. ” It's scientific name is 1,3 Dimethylamylamine and its also called Methylhexaneamine.
The name “GeranaX” is a made-up word. In other words, the name GeranaX holds no scientific meaning.
Geranium has been the subject by scrutiny by the military, whose research finds that geranium does not contain DMAA. Oddly, the supplement 411 website still lists “geranium” as an alternative name for DMAA in its listings. Currently, it is controversial if geranium is a source of DMAA or not.
As of July 2013, the Australian government warned people about the Plexus Slim Accelerator because they say it had DMAA. This link goes to the Australian government website that discusses the Plexus Slim Accelerator and DMAA.
- In April of 2013, the FDA issued a warning letter about DMAA.
- Here is a New York Times article on DMAA for more information.
The ingredient DMAA seems to act like ephedra or bitter orange (synephrine) which are potent stimulants. As such, it may raise blood pressure and heart rate to dangerous levels. Here is a case report of a 21-year-old man who suffered a stroke after taking 2 DMAA pills.
This does not mean plexus slim will do this. It would depend on whether DMAA really is in geranium and also which part of the plant was used (root, stems ect).
Di methy amyl amine “looks” like amphetamines (“speed”). This may be why question 6 of the Plexus Slim Q and A page mentions that this ingredient may cause a positive result on a drug test for amphetamines. Here is a study showing that dimethylamylamine causes false positive drug tests for amphetamines.
Plexus Slim Bio-Cleanse
This is a laxative. Always remember, the word “cleanse” means laxative. The Plexus Slim Bio Cleanse supplement lives up to its laxative name because it contains magnesium, which is indeed a laxative. Remember “Milk of Magnesia.” Either way, laxatives don't cause any weight loss other than mostly water (and of course, poo). The Plexus Slim website lists 2 prices for this product – $29.95 or $39.95 -both of which are too pricey for me.
Plexus Boost
Here is my review of Plexus Boost. I cover a lot of information in this review and I also compare it to the ingredients in Accelerator Plus as well.
Plexus Slim Fast Relief
The Fast Relief product appears to be a pain relief formula that exists in both a cream
and capsule form. One of the ingredients in Fast Relief is Lyprinol. This compound comes from the green-lipped mussel, hence the slogan “Full Body Relief, From the Sea-Naturally.” You may know this product by its other name – as Omega XL which is advertised on TV with Larry King.
For more information, see the review of Omega XL.
Will Plexus Slim Work?
Honestly, I'm not if it works because Plexus Slim – itself- has no published proof. If you read the comments below, you'll see some people do say it's helped them lose weight. If it works, is it because of the unique blend of ingredients in Plexus Slim or is it because of just a few key ingredients alone?
Here are Plexus Supplements on Amazon
Here is some interesting information, from of all places, the magazine, “Rolling Stone”. Pay special attention to the bottom part of the info. referring to a MLM company “hawking their products for none other than Attention-Deficit Disorder.
The company paid the price when the FTC, and other consumer advocate groups got wind of it. How many times have we heard the supporters of PS on this site refer to the same thing. (ADHD)
MLM has made it into the pages of Rolling Stone magazine, a media event usually seen as a breakthrough. In this case, however, it is the opposite. Writer Caleb Hannan delivers a devastating picture of deception, delusion and manipulation around one of MLM’s rising star enterprises, Vemma, a purveyor of “health products” and “wealth promises” to students and young people, often minorities and immigrants. Quoting from the story, “(Vemma founder) Boreyko, an entrepreneur and son of an Amway salesman, started Vemma after his previous company, the diet supplement supplier New Vision International, ran afoul of the Federal Trade Commission because it claimed a regimen of its pills, collectively known as “God’s Recipe,” could cure children of attention-deficit disorder.”
Pete writes:
“How many times have we heard the supporters of PS on this site refer to the same thing. (ADHD)”
Between what the shills have posted on here and what shows up on Facebook, too many to count. What scares me the most is when people come out and claim they are off anti-depressants/anti-anxiety meds. Anyone with a diagnosed disorder shouldn’t be self-medicating themselves and making decisions to stop taking medications that could prevent serious episodes.
Do your research into the ingredient alpho-lipoic acid if you are taking Synthroid, it is in the “pink drink”. It is not recommended because it lowers your thyroid levels, which your medication is already doing. This will cause you to gain weight if you truly have hypothyroidism, I found out the hard way.
Specifically, the University of Maryland Medical Center research done on it http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/alphalipoic-acid Also, this acid lowers blood sugar so if you are hypoglycemic you should not be using Plexus unless under a Doctor’s care.
Don’t just rely on what these sales people are saying to make a dollar, it is your health.
After retiring, I went to work as an independent sales representative for a company that sales thyroid meds.
Anonymous is exactly right Alphalipoic acid does lower thyroid levels, and can effect the action of Synthroid.
But, per the ambassadors, how can that be because the Pink Drink is natural, and has NO side effects! lol
In that study listed above:
“If you are healthy, your body makes enough alpha-lipoic acid. It is also found in red meat, organ meats (such as liver), and yeast, particularly brewer’s yeast.”
Yeast?!?!? Well, Plexus reps have been screaming how horrible yeast is and how to eradicate it with Pro-Bio. Will these people ever get their stories straight?
There is a difference between yeast overgrowth in the digestive system and brewers yeast and nutritional yeast. Brewer’s yeast and nutritional yeast are good for you and aren’t an active form that will cause an imbalance in digestive tract.
But an overgrowth of yeast caused by sugar and the yeast used to rise your baking products among other things can completely ruin your health. And no i don’t sell or use plexus but if I am correct, their probiotic works better than all the others i have seen and taken because they have a strain in there that I have been reading about from people who are professionals in dealing with candida and yeast overgrowth and have never mentioned plexus, just that specific strain.
Lena
What sort of strain are you referring?
“And no i don’t sell or use plexus” – which we all know from experience means just the opposite.
“their probiotic works better than all the others” – there is absolutely no study or collection of results that proves this. Additionally, if this had any sliver of truth to it, you can be sure that some company would come in and buy out Plexus in order to sell this stuff nationwide on a retail level and make big money off of it. Funny how Plexus Slim’s ProBio didn’t make it into Consumer Health Report’s top picks – http://consumershealthreport.com/probiotic-supplements/bestprobiotics/ In fact, I don’t see it mentioned in any search results using the keywords “best probiotic candida”
Do us a favor, Lene. Ask your upline or even call corporate and ask them if Pro-Bio is manufactured in accordance with cGMP guidelines. Is that notated on any of their labels? Why not?
Lene
I don’t know Michael personally, but you need to listen to him. He tells it like it is.
I will never understand, unless it’s because of desperation, that the ambassadors, and other MLM “simpletons” can not understand, or ask themselves this one basic question. That question is this, if this product, PS pro-biotic, is so great, then why isn’t it being sold through the customary marketing system that has served human society for thousands of years?
Why does it need to resort to a “special marketing” scheme like an MLM? Why does everyone need to be so inexperienced at marketing this! Is the product just a thin cover for what is really a pyramid scheme of exploiting others? I think so!
If you ambassadors would start asking yourselves this one question, you will soon start to see beyond the “smoke and mirrors” that PS and other MLM companies have to utilize in order to survive.
Ambassadors
We all have heard from your company, and yourselves, ” be your own Business Owner, join PS for $34.95.”
No matter how hard others try to convince you otherwise, joining PS, or any other MLM company means that you are a commissioned sales person, not a business owner. Business owners have the ability to make company decisions, commissioned sales people do not. And one of the decisions you won’t have a say in, is whether or not the PS decides to go out of business.
Imagine spending months or years building your PS organization and a respectable income, only to get a notice from the company owner stating they’ve decided to go out of business. It happens all the time.
So, beware, PS ambassadors, in calling yourselves “Business Owners”. You’re not!
According to the contract that Plexus Worldwide offers up:
“I understand that during any investigation by PLEXUS with respect to my breach of this Agreement and/or PLEXUS’s Policies and Procedures, MY DISTRIBUTORSHIP may be temporarily suspended by PLEXUS and any payments which may be otherwise owing to me shall be escrowed until final resolution has been achieved.”
You ain’t “business owners”. You are distributors. You may sell the products in the manner Plexus allows you to and are compensated accordingly. That is not owning a business. If anyone doesn’t believe me on this, sell some products on eBay or sell them at different prices and see what the company does once they find out.
Yet another lie pushed by downlines to gin up some new ambassadors.
Pete, you might be interested in seeing this former ambassador’s blog. Chock full of details about how the company operates.
http://pinkdrinkscamalert.blogspot.ca/
She also has a link to this site as well as some others.
Michael
Thanks for the link on pinkdrink. In my opinion, a well thought out sales presentation to reel people into the scheme.
I am sure you have witnessed all the PS people trying to sell their products on-line. Some were almost giving the products away with prices way below wholesale. Pinkdrink never says how much money she made selling PS on line, but it couldn’t be that much. She makes it sound so easy. I have never heard of anyone making the big bucks in MLM on-line. My experience with PS, and other MLM companies, has educated me on the fact that the “only’ way to make the big bucks in to go out and recruit people, and for them to recruit others, and so on. The few people that make the big bucks work their tails off recruiting people.
She mentioned a friend who made a six-figure income selling PS products on line. I find that hard to believe.
If you sell on-line, you would be selling retail. Say her friend sold only PS on-line, and she was paying $64.00 (ambassador price) a unit, and selling them for $84.00 (retail), she would make $20.00 off each sale. To do this she would have to have 5000 customers on line. May be, but I don’t think feasible with all the completion. The $20.00 does not include any expenses incurred.
I have found that MLMers (PS) that try to make money retail give up because the margin between wholesale and retail is not big enough, and ends up not being worth the time and money spent. This is when they realize the best way to go is recruitment. This is right where the PS company wants you because they know this is where the money is made. If the inexperience ambassadors had to sell retail only, and not recruit, the company would be broke real soon. How many times at a PS meeting have you heard the “POWER OF DUPLICATION”. Recruit, recruit, and recruit.
So, based on my experience with PS, and MLM in general, I would have to have proof that Pinkdrink was been on the level.
Thanks again, Michael.
Michael
Here is a link from pinkdrinkscamalert’s post in which you referred me. Pay attention to the people who actually run the company. They all have been with multiple companies in which most have failed.
Research shows that most MLM companies do not last more than 3-5 years. There are a few exceptions that can be counted on one, or two hands (Amway, etc.) at the most. They either are closed by authorities for breaking regulations, or simply go out of business when the pyramid scheme collapses
What do most do? They move around the corner, change the name, get a new product to make the present pyramid scheme seem legal, and the scam starts all over again. They even get unrecognized people to run the new show.
How does this pertain to PS? The Plexus Pink (breast kits) scam started to crumble, and the people running the scheme were beginning to be thought of as scam artist. I even had an ambassador to tell me to my face that Plexus Pink was nothing more than a pyramid scheme. I never understood that because that person was promoting PS, and the business model was exactly the same.
Here’s the link:
http://www.plexusswag.com/Plexus_Company_Info.html
Pete,
I noticed on that page that the manufacturer of the Breast Chek kits was from China. I think this is just another link we can put towards the fact that these products are manufactured over there.
I would really like to ask those of you who are Plexus supporters: given the fact that we have seen Chinese manufacturers engage in supplying near-fatal products (lead paint toys, contaminated dog food, toothpaste, sheetrock, etc.), how do you feel either ingesting or selling the Plexus products to others knowing that there is a high possibility that they are manufactured in China?
Those of you who administer these products to your children, how do validate the risk of giving them potentially contaminated and toxic products?
After years of “hawking” PS as a weight-loss product, and the reformulated products being failures, here is a statement from one of the PS ambassadors that I picked up off internet.
“PLEXUSSLIM IN NOT A WEIGHT-LOSS PRODUCT”!
“Maybe you’re scratching your head right now. Maybe you’re even a little disappointed. You were probably hoping that Plexus Slim is a weight loss product. But the truth is, it’s not. I, too, thought that Plexus Slim was the trendiest new “weight loss” drink. But after a little research, I found out that Plexus Slim is actually something completely different.” WOW!
Almost every time these ambassadors open their mouths, deviation of the truth, or changing of “gears” to fit whatever needs they have at the time, are sure to come. Why would a reasonably intelligent person want to listen to these people, in addition to investing their hard earned money.
Pete, what did the person say it was? a Wellness product?
Joe,
The person was referring to PS being a wellness product. Weight-loss was just a side effect of PS. http://www.plexusslimreviews.net/
Thanks Pete. I noticed she links to me too, so that is nice of her. Pete, I hope you and everybody else here has a great Christmas/Holiday and a fantastic 2015! 🙂
Thanks Joe,
You as well!!!!
Many comments here:
#1 – I’m betting that this is M’s page. The reason for my suspicion is this quote from the testimonial: “I do not sell this product. I don’t have to. I just use it.”
#2 – Pete, you mention the shift in message. Give it until January 1st and the ambassadors will kick back over to the weight loss message to reel in folks trying to make good on the New Year’s Resolution. The before and after pics will be all over Facebook. It will become “about the weight loss” for a little while and then back to “about the health” and “about the financial freedom. Then, we’ll get some new product to keep interest in the line before Spring comes.
#3 – This lady is one of those nutbags giving it to her kids: “A lot of them are tolerable, but this was actually tasty. Like, my kids drink it with their lunch (Imagine something along the lines of a vitamin water).” And this one as well: “Does Plexus Slim work for kids? Plexus Slim works for anyone of any age. Tots, teenagers, senior citizens and everyone in between can enjoy better health with Plexus Slim!”
#4 – It appears as if everything on this website is canned – I think we should look to see if other ambassadors’ pages have verbatim wording like this.
Michael
Good call. I had already forgotten about M, that’s how much of an impression she made on me. lol Merry Christmas. May you wake-up in the morning and find a package of PS in your stocking with a contract asking you to become an ambassador. I’d rather find a snake. lol
If PS works for you, keep using it. If it doesn’t, stop taking it.
Great advice! Lol As for me, it made my stomach hurt pretty bad. Gonna leave it alone
Are your products 100% certified organic, 100% toxic free by the Toxic free Foundation?
PattieJune, I’m not sure if Plexus Slim is organic. I looked up the Toxic Free Foundation and searched for Plexus Slim but didn’t see anything on their site about them. not sure if that’s significant or not. Here is their website for those curious http://toxicfreefoundation.org/
Plexus doesn’t even disclose where they manufacture their products. My money is that they are getting it done in China or India. Bastions of quality control is what I think of when those countries come to mind.
Things are way to heated here. I think I’ll opt out of “new comments”, and just go back to my happy little life. Sorry I ever commented. If I need to do anything else to stop the emails, please let me know.
Thanks.
Oh effin C. This “Plexus Works!” bull is getting out of hand. Take your damn drama elsewhere.
I agree with you. I have been on it only four days and am down five pounds and feel so much better
That’s what a stimulant does. It increases your heart rate and fools your body into believing that it feels better. Just as with any drug though, your body will become dependent on more and more of it to experience that same boost. In the meantime, your body is having to filter this stuff through your liver and other organs. At some point, you will pay the price for pushing these things into your system.
Michael, you say “your body is having to filter this stuff through your liver and other organs” You are absolutely right~ more attention needs to be drawn to what happens on the inside. People aren’t aware of potential harm they are doing to themselves. They may like the way they look on the outside, but the price they pay for that may not show up for years later.
Lynn G
Thanks for breaking the news to me on your thoughts of why you think MLM is so great. lol
I see you as another MLM simpleton with their head in the sand.
On your comparison of MLM and legitimate businesses:
Your statements show a lack of understanding of why a pyramid scheme constitutes an unfair trade practice. It isn’t the shape of the organization that is important, but the endless chain of recruitment of participants as primary customers. MLM compensation plans require the climbing of a pyramid of participants in order to make enough money to profit to any significant degree. But unlike a corporate pyramid, in MLM and other types of pyramid schemes, virtually all of those at the bottom (the “downline”) lose money (some a lot of money), where in a corporation, those at the bottom at least get a minimum wage.
Of course, there are inequalities of rewards in most business arrangements. However, in MLM, the leveraging of a downline of thousands of participants who invest and lose money – only to enrich the TOPPs (top of the pyramid of participants), creates extreme inequality. For example, a downline may average $50 a month (actually losing money after subtracting necessary purchases from the company and operating expenses), while those at the top reap thousands or even millions of dollars a month. Such extreme inequality far exceeds what could be considered a normal or equitable business arrangement. MLM’s easy money and winners-take-all appeal is more akin to a lottery than a legitimate business.
The CEO’s, etc. of a legitimate business are either assigned, or appointed to that position. In MLM, to make it to the top depends on your ability to recruit. A monkey could be trained to do that.
Your company, which you did not mention went bankrupt due to paying stars for endorsements? BS!! Your company went bankrupt due to distributors leaving the company, and, there were no more poor suckers at the bottom on the pyramid scheme feeding the company, and those at the top. Get real!!
You say your products were not over-priced? Lynn, the products sold by MLM companies have to be over inflated in order to pay the many levels of participants. With the majority of that money paying the company and 1% of the top distributors.
Would I rather make !% off the work of 100 people, or would I rather make 100% off the work of 1. That would depend on rather the 100 people are paid adequately, and fairly, and in MLM they are not. Based on research, 73% of the 100 distributors will not get a check at all.
You say you are a hard worker yet you depend on others to do your job for you. Be honest you joined the MLM company in hopes you could live off the efforts of others who have to lose money for you to succeed.. I call that “blood money”.
This great country was built on “Capitalism”. Enron had a bunch of crooks running the show, just like, in my opinion, the crooks that run MLM.
MLM causes massive income losses each year, where millions of good people lose billions of dollars.
we had a company here in the UK, called amway. i think it was called they did the same thing pyramid selling it was banned in the uk for it. as for the products they were as usual overpriced and some never worked. although it was selling cleaning products we need medical tests on all of the things we eat or drink here before it goes on sale. if they cant provide that conclusive evidence, it wont be marketed here at all.
as for helping kidney sufferers i have not seen any evidence to date or diabetic trials in any medical journal, so its a big no no from me i wouldn’t even contemplate buying any product unless it has been universally tested thoroughly
Peter Evans, you are obviously a very smart man. Amway, actually is the largest MLM company in the world. Last I heard, it was worth about 12 billion dollars, probably more now. PS is a flea compared to Amway.
Amway has been sued, and band from several countries for operating as a pyramid scheme. It operates the same as PS, just different terminology is used. They call there reps. Independent Business Owners (IBO), and PS calls theirs ambassadors. I guess this is to make them feel important. lol Both depend on recruitment for survival, and the commission structures are just about the same.
Amway, has been sued more times than you can imagine, but because of their political pull, they donate lots of money to the Republican Party, they seem to always prevail, especially in the US. They were sued in California some time ago for being a pyramid scheme, and they just paid the people off. Yes sir, 50 million dollars just to go away.
If PS ever got sued for anything, being a pyramid scheme, or what have you, I don’t believe they would have the resources to survive. Just attorney fees would probably force them to go under.
Like all products and services. “Buyer beware”. If a person doesn’t do their own homework. If you don’t and find you are buying into a service or product and it turns out you made a mistake whether it was to expensive or you found you where lazy or didn’t have a business sense. That’s your fault and can only blame yourself.
Some people feel the need to blame others for their poor decisions. People, like entitlement people, spoiled children that grow into spoiled adults. These same people hate freedom, free enterprise, freedom to choose until they make a bad choice. They also hate those evil republicans that’s fight for these principles and capitalism. So when they find a problem with a company, they are quick to point out who gives them support.
Like liberals do now when it comes to that evil company that hires people, tells them what they will make BEFORE they except the job. Then those people cry and picket for a union and hire wages from that evil Wal-Mart. Get a life Pete and if you don’t like capitalism. There are planes leaving hourly.
Dave
You must be drunk! If you have read my posts you would have seen that I am by far not an anti-Capitalist. I am anti-MLM!. You sound like you just attended a rah-rah meeting where they condemn people who have legitimate jobs, promoting the idea of becoming your own business owner through MLM means. What a joke! When you become a distributor, you own nothing but the right to compete for commissions with other distributors. Part of the deception is making you THINK Capitalism is the grounds for which you and others get involved in MLM, while reaping money from your pocketbooks.
Capitalism has been defined ” as the only MORAL political system because it is the only system dedicated to the protection of rights, which is a requirement for human survival and flourishing.”
Well, MLM companies have been a frequent subject of criticism as well as
the target of lawsuits. Criticism has focused on their similarity to illegal pyramid schemes (hence the “scheme” reference), price-fixing of products, high initial start-up costs, emphasis on recruitment of lower-tiered salespeople over actual sales, encouraging if not requiring salespeople to purchase and use the company’s products, potential exploitation of personal relationships which are used as new sales and recruiting targets, complex and sometimes exaggerated compensation schemes, and cult-like techniques which some groups use to enhance their members’ enthusiasm and devotion. Does this sound MORAL? Eesh!
There in nothing MORAL about MLM, and the way is performed today. I don’t see how anyone can breathe Capitalism, and MLM in the same breath.
By the way, I am a Republican, just didn’t become one by being “brainwashed” by a MLM company.
I love America, I fought for America, but send me the airplane ticket, I need a vacation. LOL
Hi Pete –
I’m just trying to understand what you’re saying.
When you say you’re anti-MLM, then you’re saying basically you’re anti a business model? And you’re entitled to your opinion of course. I think a duplication business model makes a lot of sense in today’s current economic environment.
The Wall Street Journal weighed in favorably as well – http://directsellingnews.com/pdfs/DSN_WSJ_book_preview.pdf
And in regards to MLM’s being immoral …. you’re saying R&D companies like LifeGen Technologies, Pharmanex, and arNOX Technologies, are immoral? I don’t get that?
I agree on a lot of what you say about there being many suspect companies in the MLM world, but there’s suspect companies utilizing traditional business models for distribution as well.
It’s like anything else, there’s good and there’s bad. Like any investment, whether the resource is time and or money, you have to do your due diligence, and hopefully make the right decision. And then hopefully act ethically in whatever business you’re in.
Hey Marc
Anti-MLM in no way makes me anti-business model. MLM is actually a business strategy, not a business model. Experts call MLM a “pseudo business strategy .MLM is referred to as “business” though the most basic requirement to qualify for that definition — the fair exchange of value — does not occur. In MLM, people invest money but get next to nothing in return and certainly not what they had been promised.
When MLMs are called businesses, regardless of what else may be said, they are accorded an exalted status and the full protection of the law. Business, whether good business or poor business, is the fundamental institution by which goods and services are developed and distributed. MLM, thought of as a business, is therefore automatically legitimized.
Those who critically examine the legitimacy of MLM become, to some extent, critics of “business” and therefore must justify themselves even before what they have to say can be verified.
I understand that the benefit of MLM is in the duplication process, teaching others to do what you do, and then take a piece of the action. Without any real profit just from retail sales, though, those at the bottom have no way to make the endeavor sustainable why they try to build their own downline. This is why we have the huge turnover. This is why we have mandatory autoships and ongoing fees.
Marc, based on the data available, 90-93% of distributors will walk after about 1year. Does that sound sustainable? Hardly. The duplication theory, is nothing but deception my MLM companies to keep you hanging on. Does not work, and a big reason why 99% of people fail at MLM.
To keep the duplication process alive, there would have to be an unlimited chain of participants, and a virgin market. Neither exist.
The R&D companies you mentioned are all owned and controlled by the MLM company NU Skin. For sure the first two. You do the research on NU SKIN, and you will find some interesting facts as to why, and how many times they have been investigated for being a ‘pyramid”.
Here again, if these R&D products are so good, then why don’t they utilize the “traditional” marketing system that has been around for centuries, instead of one that is so suspect as MLM?
I still stand by my views on MLM, it is deceptive, and fraudulent to the first degree.
I tried reading Dave’s post. It makes “M”s posts look like quantum physics dissertations by comparison. I mean, the grammar displayed is unreal. I hope this person is not a Plexus ambassador.
apparently you people have never actual ran a MLM business. My in laws survived losing a job by becoming Amway distributors…they made a ton of money and met many great people, traveled the world etc. things most people only dream of doing. So before you bash Amway…you should really know how it actually works.
they are still in business…25-30 years my in laws still receive a check for products they sell to loyal customers, they no longer are active in the business but have been Emeralds in the company for many years and still continue to get residual money from that. Again my father in law’s company had downsized, he looked for work and found Amway…it saved them and lived a better life than any engineering job could have ever given them. Again do your research.
Marc
Excuse me for not addressing your link to the Wall Street Journal. Very well-respected, and I read it frequently.
I don’t understand how the paper can compare “direct selling”, to MLM as it is performed today where the focus is not on the products, but on the recruitment of distributors.. Today, very few MLM companies would be considered “direct selling” companies. For example, Tupperware would be considered a “direct selling” company due to its “home party” approach.
http://pyramidschemealert.org/the-true-history-and-actual-identity-of-mlm/
Here is a link from Robert Fitzpatrick, the President of Pyramid Scheme Alert, and an authority on MLM, describing the difference between “direct selling” and MLM.
Oh, SusieQ…..
“Class action settlement
On November 3, 2010, Amway announced that it had agreed to pay $56 million – $34 million in cash and $22 million in products – to settle a class action that had been filed in Federal District Court in California in 2007.[95] The class action, which had been brought against Quixtar and several of its top-level distributors, alleged fraud, racketeering, and that the defendants operated as an illegal pyramid scheme.
While noting that the settlement is not an admission of wrongdoing or liability, Amway acknowledged that it had made changes to its business operations as a result of the lawsuit. The settlement is subject to approval by the court, which was expected in early 2011.[95] The economic value of the settlement, including the changes Amway made to its business model, totals $100 million.[96]”
“So before you bash Amway…you should really know how it actually works.”
Apparently, they work a little differently than you portray them.
Susie Q
I could write all day on this one! As Michael said, Amway was sued in California, paying $150 million dollars to the people suing, just to have them go away. They have deep enough pockets to do this, and, based on fact it’s by far not the firs time.. Amway, has also been known to lay a few dollars on the table of politicians. These are just a few of many reasons why they have survived this long.
I don’t mean to disrespect your parents, but after them being in the business 30yrs, they must know how their income is generated. Susie, 99% of people have to lose in order for them to win. I have known people at their level, and above simply quit because they could longer deceive their friends and love ones. They are very lucky to be at the level of Emerald, and must have gotten on board with Amway early to be where they are positioned.
Susie, Amway is MLM, and MLM is based on deception. To do it, you have to be able to deceive yourself, you have to be able to deceive others, and be able to continue to deceive yourself.
To sum up, “it is better to lose, than deceive to win!”
Susie, are you in Amway? If you are, what level are you?
I hate to break the news to you Pete, but every business is structured as a pyramid! All those fat cat CEO’s make their living off the backs of all their little underling’s they call employees, while they reap the benefits of bonuses, and stock options, and lest we not forget that Capitalism in it’s highest form turns out like ENRON!
An MLM only works when you HELP others to be successful, I’ve been involved with a few and I like the principle and the products are not way over priced. In many cases the products are fairly reasonable due to the fact that the manufacturers don’t have to do the advertising which can actually save millions; which they in turn use to fund the compensation to the distributors.
Why am I not in one now, you might be asking… The one that I was very successful in actually did get into advertising (big mistake) and did infomercials and had to pay lots of dollars out to the stars that they partnered with and didn’t have the foundation beneath to keep up with the outlay and went bankrupt. – it was a good product that I really enjoyed while being able to stay at home with my daughter for 3 years until she went to school.
You are obviously going to believe what you want about MLM, but the people at the top of that pyramid chain don’t get rich on just recruiting people – at least they didn’t with the one I was in, the product has to sell for people to be successful, bottom line. If the product isn’t there, the business goes nowhere – hmmm just like all the other type of businesses out there.
MLM is based on this simple principle; would you rather earn 1% off the work of 100 people or would you rather earn 100% off the work of 1. It’s called working smarter and not harder – and I’m all for hard work and if you are a hard worker the results will show it, now what’s wrong with that?
Thanks for the info, Joe. I was pointed to Plexus as a potential alternative to ADHD medication. I had to search hard for critical examination(s) of the product(s) by weeding out the conspicuously copious positive testimonials. It became quickly obvious that this claimed health product is being heavily pushed predominantly by non-health-professionals mainly for financial gain. It appears to capitalize on genuine human desires to find “natural” solutions to what ails them.
I hear that it may replace ADHD medication and am surprised to find that others have come to hear of it because it helps diabetes, migraines, weight loss, and many other things. What a panacea! Why does this sound so similar to the bogus, cure-all “snake oil” tonics and concoctions of the 19th century and well before? The skeptic in me says, because it is just like them, too good to be true.
Testimonials prove nothing except one’s subjective beliefs and opinions. If this product can really do these things, I’d be among its promoters if they would but prove the objective efficacy of its combined ingredients through peer-reviewed scientific study. If the claims are genuine, is this not their best and most lucrative course of action over the long term?
Bob, thanks for the heads up on this. I added a section on Plexus and ADHD to my review.
I totally lost 15lbs!!! Using the gym and healthy eating habits and no plexus. Everyone looks for a miracle when it takes hard work and discipline. Drop the doughnuts and step on the treadmill. Trade and true way works for me!!
Michael
You in particular will love this link I picked up over the internet. Some type of advertisement from some Home Magazine on PS.
It breaks every rule and regulation I can think of referring to the FTC, and the FDA. Be sure you pay attention to the bottom of the article where PS has helped this guy with some sort of muscular disease. http://healthylivingwithplexus.blogspot.com/
Enjoy,
Pete
Pete,
I saw the article about the guy with fibromyalgia. That one in and of itself is bad enough. However, the vulgarity of posing a person with spastic Quadra Paresis holding a bottle of Plexus Slim goes beyond everything. I weep for the people who do this kind of thing. Pumping a handicap person full of appetite suppressant and untested chemicals is truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.
“Pete,
I saw the article about the guy with fibromyalgia. That one in and of itself is bad enough. However, the vulgarity of posing a person with spastic Quadra Paresis holding a bottle of Plexus Slim goes beyond everything. I weep for the people who do this kind of thing. Pumping a handicap person full of appetite suppressant and untested chemicals is truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.”
Oh I know what you are talking about Michael! I have a progressive nerve disease called CRPS and almost daily since one of their pink powder pep parties, where they hear these “testimonials” and one happened to have a possible case of CRPS spoke. I got a message after message from plexus Ambassadors telling me that I will be “CURED” by plexus. There is no cure for my disease.
When my doctor said NO when I asked about it (Just to humor my friend to get her off my back) she then said not to listen to him because he just wants me to stay in pain so that he can profit off of it. We all know that if Plexus slim was the magical cure everything powder that the “evil pharmaceutical companies” would have been all over it in a heartbeat.
Oh and thanks to these doctors who want me sick and the evil pharmaceutical companies, I went from bed bound, to a wheelchair to walking (with the help of a cane) again! I did not need some non-medically trained “ambassador” trying to make a money off of me to get me where I am. Saying plexus will cure me is about as silly as me doing a testimony saying “I went from bed bound to walking because I ate chicken….the chicken cured me, look at me! To make the chicken work better and detox my system of pain, you also need a spinal cord simulator implanted into your spine, but I promise, it’s the chicken that made me walk.
So, if you want to be cured from every illness every, you can pay me $400, get knighted as a royal ambassador and then start selling chicken at a 500% mark up, pay me 75% of your sales and we will call it good. But wait, you need to buy at least $200 in chicken each month to stay a royal Knight ambassador” YUP, they really are that far fetched! Plus, lets face it, chicken will be far healthier and safer to consume as opposed to a non-medically tested, unregulated, unknown powder!
crpswarriorwoman and Michael
I will be sending this article to the FTC, FDA, and the Attorney General’s office of Louisiana. You and others should feel compelled to do the same thing.
How low can you get!!!!!
I think this is a good review Joe. I think knowing what you are putting in your body is good. I believe most things labeled as “diet” are bullshit when it comes right down to it. Of course the best way to lose weight is to reduce your calories and to exercise.
There is such a thing as a mental edge. Most of the time the mental edge is just that – totally in your head. Plexus would be that kind of edge. As a daily drink it seems to me it is full of anti-oxidants and because it uses Stevia possible keeps your insulin levels stable since other sweeteners tend to make them spike. Is that correct Joe?
Otherwise – maybe it is over-priced drink. I think that is up to each individual to decide. There is a 60 day money back guarantee if you are not pleased with your results. AND if you did get debited money for an additional month it was because you signed up as a Preferred Customer. It tells you that you will get an additional 10%discount if you sign up for this – but you will be sent a 30 day supply each month and be debited the cost. You can call Customer Service and change that at any time. That was YOUR choice and quite honestly it is a marketing strategy that many companies take advantage of. But you did give permission up front. You could have signed up as retail and paid the extra 10% and you would not have been sent the additional month OR had the cost debited.
What it comes down to is what you are willing to pay for? If it is worth the mental edge and you feel better on the product, is it worth the amount you are paying each month? Aren’t most people taking a chance when they try a new product? Some folks feel this is absolutely a great product and it has changed their lives others not so much. Life goes on.
Thanks for the review. It was helpful.
Missy, there is some evidence that stevia might better lower post eating insulin and blood sugar levels compared to table sugar here is a study on this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2900484/ Interestingly, this study also shows aspartame does the same thing as stevia.
My blood pressure is good, my blood tests are great and I have no pain for the first time in years. ( I have scoliosis) Can I explain? No. I just am living breathing proof that something in the slim drink works and something in the probio 5 works. DO I have a degree in microbiology? No. DO I care as long as all my tests are coming back wonderful? Not a darn bit. Plexus is helping me.
It is fine if you do not like it or it is not what you want to hear. But please add this to your “findings”
All,
Some have success with Plexus and some do not. It is what it is and that’s all that it is. And to be real on some of the posts on here: One person can’t “make” another person do something that they don’t want to do. That’s like saying: I told John Doe to jump off the cliff, because it is a fun thing to do, so it’s my fault that he did it and had fatal results. HAHAHAHA. I don’t think so. Everyone controls their own lives and decisions. People make up their own minds whether they want to do something or not.
And for the record, there has been a misunderstanding for some on here, so I want to clarify it loud and clear: I DO NOT sell the product, I use it.
Good day to all.
M
M States:
“And to be real on some of the posts on here: One person can’t “make” another person do something that they don’t want to do.”
Can you cite which posts you are referring to here? I think you are mistaken with posts that have been made with regards to false claims made by Plexus ambassadors such as yourself. Of course, you may be just “too busy” to do this but it would go a long way in repairing your shattered reputation.
“And for the record, there has been a misunderstanding for some on here, so I want to clarify it loud and clear: I DO NOT sell the product, I use it.”
This is a lie, no matter how loud you shout it.
Thank you for your research Joe. I read through everything and it seems to jive with a couple other websites that I’ve visited on Plexus products. I have been on the PS and bio cleanse boost for a little over a month now. I feel better overall now than I have in quite a while. I had a hysterectomy last August and then this August I had an oopherectomy (took the ovaries out) and you can about imagine what a woman with no hormone regulation can mean.
I’ve been on my hormone regimen set by doc at different levels but for me, and I only advocate my experience, I didn’t get mood levels managed till after I was on Plexus for about a week. I feel like I’ve slept better and don’t have the dreaded hot flashes. I used to drink a lot of pop/soda before I started this program too. (Think 3 to 4 44oz Dr Pepper’s or Mt Dew’s a DAY) I’m not a sweets person at all just liked my pop. I don’t drink but maybe 1 20oz bottle a week now. I honestly don’t have the cravings for it.
Please believe me when I say that I’ve tried several times too and never stick with it for more than a handful of days. So far the only exercise I’ve been able to fit into my busy schedule is a weekly volleyball league that is Wednesday evenings. I thank you again for your research. It’s nice to be able to look up information on a product and not have it be geared towards one way or the other. I didn’t take anything you said as a slam towards the product itself. You purely stated the information that has been proven and if it hasn’t been proven, you stated that as well.
I’m going to finish out my second month on my plan that I selected for myself. If I go back to how I felt before, yeah, I will most likely start back on Plexus. Each person is different so no one health plan, diet, fad or what have you will fit for 100% of the people. Do what works for yourself. Just be wise and know what you are getting into;)
MO, thanks and I’m glad I was able to help and hope PS continues to work for you.
M, and all PS supporters should read this link. Posted on a PS blog by Betty, who gives her personal experience with PS. Enjoy.
http://www.plexuspoint.com/plexus-slim-reviews/
Pete,
LMAO!! I read the blog in the link that you posted. You say that PS is a scheme to sell products, well that blog was all about bashing it, just so “Betty” could SELL her “Finally Fit”. hahahaha. So she used the bashing to her advantage….to sell her product. What a hypocrite. But I really enjoyed the chuckle, as always. Keep up the comics. They make for fun reading. ;-).
Plexus works!!
M
M
You should pay attention to Betty, she tells it like it is. By the way I don’t think I ever stated, “PS is a scheme to sell products.” It’s a scheme to recruit people, obligating them to buy their own products in order to qualify for commissions. This is not selling, because most ambassadors couldn’t sell ice water to someone dying in the desert. Very little product is actually sold to people outside the organization, which would define “direct selling”. The ambassadors are not direct sellers like they frequently refer to themselves, It’s all about recruitment. The ambassadors are recruiters of people who recruit other people, and so on.
To all that bash PS. I am here to tell you it has medically helped 3 members of my family in different ways. Proven by doctors. We are just customers. Over 40% of Plexus customers are just that. They do not sell the products. You are a very narrow minded person. Please take me off your website. Your remarks are uncalled for and you are very immature, but maybe because you are a child and not an adult. I do not know your background.
Mike click the unsubscribe button at the bottom of the emails and you’ll be unsubscribed
Michael
This may interest you, and I’m sure even though she says she will leave the site, M, may find some interest also. I know you’re out there M. lol
I have heard ambassadors, and PS brag about their “rocket like growth, and the fact in a short time they have generated revenue of $156m. Sounds good, doesn’t it. Really just another smoke screen..
. Actually, as anyone knows who watches the MLM “industry,” lot’s of other MLMs (PS) have achieved such fast growth and many claim they will achieve future growth at similar rates. Inexplicably fast growth is a hallmark of pyramid selling schemes. PS promoters routinely tell recruits that PS will reach 1 Billion in revenue in the next year. That would mean PS would have to do about 1m in revenue each month for the next year. In MLM world, this is considered normal, regardless of global or national economic conditions. Since MLMs harness the power of “exponential expansion” that is “unlimited,” fast growth is the norm and can continue for some time — as long as new territory and new recruits can be found. So, ambassadors I wouldn’t be too excited when your rah-rah people brag about the growth of PS. Just another deception, but some how most PS, and other MLM simpletons fall for this.
Believe this, when you run out of people to recruit, it’s over. Has to happen, because, there are just so many people to go around.
Looks like yet another ingredient that is in Plexus (chlorogenic acid) has been proven to be worthless:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dr-oz-endorsed-green-coffee-bean-diet-study-retracted/
“A diet study about the supposed benefits of green coffee bean extract, which got national attention after Dr. Oz promoted it on his TV show, has been retracted. The science watchdog website Retraction Watch reports that the two researchers who were paid to write the study admitted they could not verify the data.”
Michael, good eye. I just learned of that myself. I also updated my green coffee bean extract review also.
Plexus works for some, REGARDLESS of what people say on here. So….say what you will or what you want, there IS living proof, even though a study wasn’t conducted on it, based on real life success stories. PERIOD!!
Joe said that some of the products may be helpful in weight loss, but were not proven in a study, but he didn’t say they were proven NOT to work.
If anyone on here has the expertise or the actual proof that it doesn’t work, please provide THOSE studies. I just can’t understand why some of you on here can say that it doesn’t work, when it actual has worked. I’m not sure how those claims can be proven without proof and justification.
M
M,
To quote you previously, ” I don’t need a review of ingredients to prove that to me.”
Now, you’re asking for “expertise” and “proof”? I thought none of that stuff mattered to you. Also, you had previously stated, “I’m not going to debate that aspect with you any longer. People will make up their own minds on whether they want to try it or not.” Yet, here you are in your ambassador role, attempting to defend this joke of a product.
You say the product “works” but you strangely never say specifically what it works for. Typical ambassador. Are you saying it works for weight loss? Auto-immune disorders? ADHD? Crohn’s? All the other wild-haired claims? Why don’t you get more specific and then we can provide you information. Otherwise, stick to what you said previously. And just ingest as much of the Plexus products as you possibly can. Just get all the benefits possible, because you’re 100% it cures and remedies everything. Your upline will definitely send you accolades from poolside at the next big leaders meeting for all your support.
Michael,
Here are some FACTS:
(1) The product works for ME (weight loss, inches loss, etc.).
(2) I am not an active ambassador and I don’t have a down line and I am not selling the product, I’m using it.
(3) I really don’t need “proof” or “expertise”, I was merely making a point, just like you want to see proof that it works, well then provide proof that it doesn’t…. same concept.
(4) I am happy for those that have had success.
(5) You and Peter provide me with a chuckle every time I read your posts. 😉
Good day.
PLEXUS ROCKS!!
M
M States:
“Here are some FACTS:
(1) The product works for ME (weight loss, inches loss, etc.).”
– So you say. We have no way of proving this other than your word, which I will now show is completely suspect.
“(2) I am not an active ambassador and I don’t have a down line and I am not selling the product, I’m using it.”
– You’re lying. On July 1st, you posted, “I became an ambassador…” You also posted on June 27th, “but I have met the people who are on the ambassador site that I joined under.” We all know that this took place at one of the little Plexus meetings that ambassadors are required to attend in order to keep ambassador status. We cannot trust a word that you say as evidenced by the direct contradiction shown here.
“(3) I really don’t need “proof” or “expertise””
– Yes, we know this. The typical shill for a product like Plexus doesn’t think for themselves. They just jump on the bandwagon and cheerlead. However, you specifically posted, “If anyone on here has the expertise or the actual proof that it doesn’t work, please provide THOSE studies.”
M, if you weren’t interested in proof, you sure have a funny way of showing that. Much in the same way you claim to be done with the arguments on this site, yet here you are again, knee-deep in it.
Now, we all eagerly await your “you give me a chuckle” response that lets us know you have no way of defending yourself against these things. Well, either that or vulgarity & name-calling.
M
How in the world can a supposedly intelligent human being think for one minute that STORIES, TESTIMONIALS, or HEAR-SAYS, are more credible than clinical data supporting a product. That is ludicrous! Stories are just what they are, stories. Ever heard the story of “Jack and the Beanstalk”. Sorry, NOT REAL.
Testimonials, most are fabricated, and that has been proven. Testimonials per the FTC have to be able to be verified. Just another broken regulation by an ambassador.
This disappointing part is that there are gullible consumers, like yourself, who don’t realize that if the company truly believed its product worked for any medical condition it would likely make billions of dollars. The company should be extremely interested in doing these formal clinical tests as it would mean so much more money for them. Yet, I have never seen an MLM company perform these large scale tests with the goal of getting on the FDA list.
It seems that these companies,, including PS have very low confidence in their product.
Bottom line: If someone tries to pitch you a conspiracy about the FDA and pharmaceutical companies and they don’t have a paper trail of who took what money for which service – and they are trying to sell you on an alternative, untested, natural remedy, (PS) you should turn the tables and tell them about the bridge that you have for sale at a bargain price.
Pete,
Just yesterday “M” was posting this:
“Haters and Pessimists:
I’m not entertaining your arguments against PLEXUS any longer. I will continue to maintain and promote the fact that PLEXUS WORKS!!”
I don’t know why in the world she claims one day to be done with the argument, then shows up the next day demanding proof, studies, etc. Depending on just how much Plexus she takes, we may be able to do our own clinical study on how Plexus affects the brain.
Michael,
Thanks for the afternoon chuckle. Keep up them coming. 😉
M
Michael
I knew she would be back. M is addicted to Joe’s site just as much as she is addicted to PS, and it’s cultist environment.
Ummm, once again, how are they not shut down by the fda yet? This is on the Plexus slim Facebook pagePLEXUS BLOCK IS HERE!
– Slows the absorption of starch and sugar for healthy glucose levels.
– Reduces starch and sugar from converting to glucose in the body by up to 48%
Features and Benefits:
Helps support healthy blood glucose levels.
Helps reduce glycemic index of ingested foods.
Helps block starch and table sugar digestion/absorption.
Inhibits enzymes that convert starches to glucose.
Slows conversion of glucose to fat.
Promotes healthy weight control.
Minimizes free radical damage/oxidative stress.
Promotes sustained energy/reduces fatigue.
Lowers glycemic index rating of ingested foods.
What Other Plexus Products Can I Take With This?
Plexus Block can be taken with ANY of our current products!
Pricing & PV:
Retail: $39.95 (35 PV)
Preferred: $34.95 (30 PV)
Ambassador: $29.95 (25 PV)
*combo pack pricing available”
Do you know how dangerous that this can be for a diabetic, let alone someone else. This company needs to be stopped before innocent lives are lost. They already know that they are risking many.
I am still waiting for the magical medical studies that have been pitched to me.
Beckest, you will be waiting for an eternity before those studies will be provided. That’s because they don’t exist.
This new product – “Block” – takes advantage of people desperately wanting to lose weight. It’s nothing more than a new product with a new set of talking points. Remember how it changed to “not about the weight loss but it’s about the health”? Well, now we’re back to weight loss again. This product is being touted as something to kick-start weight loss. Claims of X number of pounds being shed in so many days on Facebook pages. My question is – are these people so naïve as to be the guinea pigs for a product that has not had its ingredients researched? Do we even know where this stuff is manufactured?
Joe – looks like its time for you to do another review on this new Plexus product and tell us what this stuff really is. I’ve heard of “fat blockers” and “carb blockers” before. Every one has been pure garbage and I think this new one is no different.
Michael, I looked up the Plexus Slim block product. its a carb blocker (white kidney bean extract) that is combined with brown seaweed that is sometimes used to ‘boost” thyroid hormone (and hence metabolism). so it looks like a combo of a carb blocker and thyroid booster.
Carb blockers have been summarily shot down as ineffective and I know the FDA has hammered makers of that stuff in the past for making false claims. No surprise that Plexus is trying to put lipstick on the pig once again with this stuff.
Beckest
Here are just a few reasons why PS, and other MLMs have not been eliminated. PS, being a small company, has been flying under the radar. Now that they are growing, more attention is being paid to how they operate, and the FDA warning letter they received recently proves that. The letter was a reprimand for making false product claims. Depending on the outcome of the Herbalife suit, (pyramid scheme) PS, which has the exact marketing design as Herbalife, and most other MLM companies, could be next.
The very legality of the MLM system rests tenuously upon a single 1979 ruling on one company. (The Amway ruling) The guidelines for legality that are set forth in that ruling are routinely ignored by the industry. Lack of governing legislation or oversight by any designated authority also enables the industry to endure despite occasional prosecutions by state Attorneys General or the FTC.
MLM is not defined and regulated like, for instance, franchises are. MLMs can be established without federal or state approval. There is no federal law specifically against pyramid schemes. Many state anti-pyramid statutes are vague or weak. State or federal regulation usually involves first proving that the company is a pyramid scheme. This process can take years and by then, the damage to consumers is done. Indeed, even when MLM pyramids are shut down, often the promoters immediately set up new companies under new names and resume scamming the public.
Hopes this helps.
I’m willing to bet that with this new product release, we’re going to see the FDA come knocking again. Plexus has always touted itself as the miracle for diabetics. They (ambassadors) will likely recommend Block to their diabetic clients, who will buy it up and consume. The only issue is that carb blockers are hazardous to diabetics. They block the breakdown of carbohydrates into glucose.
I hate to say it but I’ll bet a diabetic will have some sort of reaction due to taking this garbage and then we’ll get the first lawsuit. The FDA has already banned several carb blockers due to false claims & reported side effects.
The funny thing in all of this is that using carb blockers normally results in gas, bloating, and diarrhea. You’ll be able to spot your “Plexus Peeps” with ease now!