Update 12/6/22. At one time, Anatabloc was a SUPER popular anti-inflammation supplement. It was sold online and at GNC and elsewhere. It was touted to help reduce pain, help joints and arthritis pain, and reduce chronic inflammation. Anatabloc was unique. It contained an ingredient not found in any other supplement I've EVER seen in over 20 years of investigation. This unique ingredient also contributed to its own downfall. In this unbiased, updated review, I reveal everything you need to know about Anatabloc, from its rise – and fall – to the research and proof and the company which made it. I'll also shed light on other anatabloc supplements too.
What Is Anatabloc
Before we talk about Anatabloc (sometimes misspelled Anatablock), I need to tell you about Anatabine (also called anatabine citrate). Anatabine is the active ingredient in Anatabloc. Anatabine is a chemical found in
- eggplants
- potatoes
- green tomatoes
as well as tobacco and tobacco smoke (remember this).
Chemically, anatabine “looks” like nicotine. Because of this, it was also used some anti-smoking supplements. Anatabine has a longer half life than nicotine, so it stays in the body longer. That's why it was thought it might help people quit smoking.
How Does Anatabloc Work?
Here is the way Anatabloc was supposed to reduce chronic inflammation:
1. Anatabine enters the cells of the body where it…
2. Deactivates a protein called NFkB.
3. When NFkB is deactivated, it can't enter the nucleus of the cell (the brain center of the cell) to cause excessive cellular inflammation.
Inflammation is thought to play a role in MANY diseases, such as:
and many others.
So, if Anabloc worked, it might have disease-modifying benefits. If you read the comments below, you will see some people have said some pretty amazing things too.
Anatabloc Ingredients
Anatabloc contains these ingredients
| Anatabine | 1 mg |
| Vitamin A | 500 IU |
| Vitamin D3 | 40 IU |
This review will focus only on Anatabine because this is “secret sauce” in Anatabloc.
Other Ingredients
These other ingredients are also found in this supplement: Mannitol, natural and artificial mint flavors, sucralose, silicon dioxide, stearic acid, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, magnesium stearate, titanium dioxide (color), natural glaze, methylparaben, propylparaben, triethyl citrate, citric acid, BHT, mono and diglycerides, and polysorbate 80
These ingredients played no role in the results or benefits of Anatabloc.
Anatabloc Research
When this review was originally created, the proof for Anatabloc was mostly on lab animals. There is now human proof. This review will focus only on human research. Much of the research is on Anatabine, which is an active ingredient in Anatabloc. Still, proof for anatabine is proof for Antabloc.
Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals (more on them below) supports and plays a role in much of the research.
Studies On Anatabloc
In one report, researchers in the US gave Anatabloc or a placebo to 146 people with Hashimoto's disease – the most common form of hypothyroidism. People were given 9-24 mg of anatabine in the form of lozenges. Those taking Anatabloc saw a significant reduction in thyroid autoantibodies.
Some people saw over a 20% decrease in thyroid autoantibodies. This means better working thyroid glands.
One small study (10 people) noted a face cream containing anatabine improved skin appearance, reducing redness and blotchy skin appearance. This does make some sense. Niacin, which looks a little bit like anatabine has been used in skin creams for years.
Niacin is also VERY popular in the anti-aging world. See the Niagen review for more on this.
Anatabine cigarettes have been shown to reduce nicotine levels in smokers significantly. This study reflects the interest in using anatabine to help people quit smoking.
Because inflammation follows exercise, researchers were interested in seeing if anatabine would reduce inflammation after people worked out. In this study, 18 men were given either a placebo or 6-12 mg of anatabine per day for 10 days. They also performed an intense exercise program.
Unfortunately, this noted anatabine did not reduce pain, or swelling or help muscle strength. This is noteworthy, given TV commercials featuring pro golfers John Isner and Fred Couples.
In another exercise study, researchers gave Anatabloc or a placebo to 17 men. The dosage of Anatabloc used was 6-12 mg. While these researchers saw that Anatabloc did not reduce exercise-induced muscle damage, it did appear to reduce markers of inflammation such as C reactive protein (CRP). That is interesting.
Preliminary research suggests anatabine activates NFR2, a substance that raises naturally produced antioxidant defenses such as superoxide dismutase (SOD). This is at the heart of some proposed anti-aging supplements, such as Protandim and PB125.
There are also several lab animals and test-tube studies involving Anatabloc/anatabine. I won't cover them here because we are people and not mice, rats or test tubes.
Summary Of Anatabloc Research
Here is a summary of the Anatabloc human research:
- Anatabine reduced thyroid antibodies in people with hypothyroidism
- Anatabine lowers nicotine levels in smokers
- Anatibine did not reduce muscle damage, pain, or swelling but may lower CPR levels
Anatabloc Questions
Let's now answer some common questions people have asked me about this supplement.
Can Anatabloc help muscle soreness?
Muscle soreness after exercise (DOMS) is very common. Currently, the proof seems to show Anatabloc doesn't reduce muscle soreness, swelling or muscle damage. It may reduce a blood test marker of inflammation called CRP. I think we need more exercise research.
Can Anatabloc Help Concussions?
There is brain inflammation when someone gets a concussion. But there is no proof that taking Anatabloc:
- reduces the risk of getting a concussion
- improves recovery time after getting a concussion
- reduces brain damage from concussions
I cannot find any research involving anatabine and concussions.
In December 2013, the FDA sent a warning letter to Star Scientific – makers of Anatabloc – telling them to remove references on their websites which gave people the impression the supplement might help concussions and other forms of traumatic brain injuries (TBI).
For more on concussions and TBI see these reviews:
Can Anatabloc Help Multiple Sclerosis?
The proof that Anatabloc can help MS is in its infancy. There is some mouse evidence it may help, but no human studies have been conducted yet.
What About Anataboc and Weight Loss?
Websites might discuss how anatabine/Anatabloc can help people lose weight or reduce weight gain, which sometimes happens when people quit smoking. But there is no good proof for this. No study has looked at reducing gaining weight after quitting smoking.
What is CigRx?
This is the anti-smoking product Star Scientific was developing before it began researching anatabine for arthritis pain and other health problems. CigRx contains anatabine too.
Anatabloc Dosage
The general recommendation is to take 2 lozenges per day. Do not use more than 6 lozenges per day. Another dosage recommendations= take your body weight into consideration. Here the Anatabloc dosages would be:
- 100-120 lbs: 2 lozenges 3x per day
- 121-170lbs: 2 lozenges 4x per day
- 171-220lbs: 2 lozenges 5x per day
- over 220lbs: 2 lozenges 6x per day
I've never seen this dosage regimen used in human studies. So, I'm not sure how accurate this is.
Who Makes Anatabloc?
Anatabloc is a product of a company called Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals. Another name for this company is Star Scientific. Star Scientific was the original name of the company. When the research changed directions from looking at Anatabine as a cure for smoking to helping arthritis pain, the company changed its name to Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals.
The phone number for the company was 800-778-2031. The company website was Anatabloc.com (the website no longer works). When this review was originally created, the Better Business Bureau listed the company address as 4470 Cox Rd Ste 110, Glen Allen, VA 23060.
There is also a connection to another company called the RosKamp Institute, located in Florida. Some of the research on Anatabloc has been conducted by this company too.
The company has since filed for bankruptcy and is no longer making Anatabloc supplements.
Should I Invest In Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals?
Star Scientific formally changed its name to Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals in 2014. Its stock symbol is RCPI. It's a publicly traded company. Regardless of what you invest in, do your homework.
Be careful with “gurus” who talk stocks up on websites, as you don't always know who you are dealing with. Sometimes unscrupulous people say things about a company to create interest so they can pump the stock price up so they can dump it for a profit. This trick is sometimes called “pump and dump.” Unless you’re an investing pro (think Warren Buffett), I recommend you talk to a financial advisor before risking any money.
Anatabloc And The FDA
Many people think the FDA does not regulate supplements. Anatabloc is proof it does. Almost from the start, the FDA claimed anatabine contained a new dietary ingredient (NDI). A new dietary ingredient is any substance that was not sold as a supplement before 1994.
Products containing new dietary ingredients need to prove to the FDA they are safe. There is also the issue that anatabine is found in tobacco. Tobacco cannot be called a dietary supplement. I think this may also have played a role in the demise of Anatabloc.
Rock Creek pharmaceuticals state that because anatabine is found in things like peppers and eggplants, it is not new and can be sold as a supplement. In the end, the FDA won, and Rock Creek stopped making Anatabloc.
Calls To Bring Back The Sale Of Anatabloc
Problems with the FDA have not stopped people from hoping for the return of Anatabloc.
This has not stopped people who loved Anatabloc from continuing to hold out hope. Former customers have launched a petition at Change.org to petition the FDA to reverse their decision and let Anatabloc be sold again.
They created the website BringBackAnatabloc.org where you can share your testimony of how the supplement helped you, sign an FDA petition to bring Anatabloc back, and read news about the supplement.
How To Buy Anatabloc: Can You Still Purchase It?
While this supplement was once VERY popular and sold at GNC and other stores, it is no longer permitted to be sold in the US. The FDA forced Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals to stop the production of Anatabloc.
Anatabloc Supplements
While Anatabloc is no longer able to be purchased in the US, I did notice other companies selling supplements said to contain anatabine.
One such company is HydraPharm (PredatorNutrition.com). They sell a supplement literally called “Anatablok” which they say contains “pure anatabine.” Predator Nutrition is not based in the US. I am not sure if they are allowed to ship their Anatablok supplement to the US.
The supplement is marked as an anti-inflammatory nootropic (brain enhancer) used to support memory and attention.
The Va Governor Controversy
As if things could not get worse, Rock Creek Pharm found itself at the center of a very public controversy involving the former Virginia governor, Robert McDonnell, and his wife. It's alleged Rock Creek gave $165,000 in gifts to the former Va governor and his wife in exchange for helping Rock Creek's development of Anatabloc.
Anatabloc Side Effects
Anatabloc is probably safe for healthy people, at least for short-term use. Human research shows no significant negative side effects. Mild to moderate side effects reported have included:
- Dizziness
- Nausea
- Headache
- Tingling feelings
- Insomnia
In the comments section below, one person reported feelings of depression. This has not been observed in clinical studies.
Does Anatabloc Work?
Despite the problems with the FDA, several people swore Anatabloc worked. I never experimented with it when it was being sold and the only person I knew who did try it told me it did not reduce his pain. Pain is complicated and its possible others may have had better results.
Unfortunately, Anatabolc supplements are no longer available in the US. While, in the past, I have been rather hard on this supplement and Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals, I was sad it was taken off the market. I am happy to see some human research on anatabine, look forward to more and hope one day to see it sold once again.
My doctor told me about Anatabloc because it works for him. He has even recommended that some patients try it. I think it helps my chronic low-grade sinus condition. But I also wish I could get it at a lower price.
greg b…my rheumy has 3 patients who take Anatabloc, including me and some also take Zyflamend including me now, “A” worked good for 4 months for me and then stopped for some unknown reasons…..maybe the 16 sessions of acupuncture I did before stopped working too…
For sinus issues, grape seed ex has been my salvation and I’m on it 18 yrs next month…I didn’t get on Abloc for sinus, but for chronic inflammation pain.
Yes, I’d use it more too, if less $$$$…I buy it for my daughter as she still gets good help with her collapsed foot tendon… We all do what we can, and maybe the Abloc will eventually come down to an affordable price for so many to stay with….
Hi, Joy-this is your friend Roseann again. I can say ONE good thing about big Pharma-at least eventually, all drugs go into a generic form and are less expensive then. I wonder if that happens with supplements ever?
Hi Roseann, of course suupplement prices come down, there is a lot of competition out there….when I started on Pycnogenol in 1995, I paid $40/month for this supp, it was just new in the U.S….today I buy my Pycnogenol from swansons for $17/mo. I buy grape seed ex too, prices all over the place….so HOPEFULLY anatabloc will do us all a good favor and help ease the price pain. My rheumy thinks I should stay off it for a while and SEE, I take 4-6 per day now with Zyflamend… j
You people are educating me. I will keep my eyes open for better pricing from now on. Thanks.
Robert, I don’t even see my posting that you replied to…wonder where it is….
It’s a sad commentary on how the business world “works” today, mostly geared to the Haves….and on this supp, it’s a sad commentary as what we pay for this supp, so much as gone to the 15 some gifts given to the VA gov from the Star CEO…wish I didn’t know that, but it’s been all over the MSNBC news a few times at least.
Joy, I posted everything you posted so it should be around.
I agree. See my comment to Judith Auerbach about how I think Anatabloc is overpriced.
I have been on “ANATABLOC” for 45 days.
I was diagnosed with: OSTEOARTHRITIS OF THE KNEES
I saw the Fred Couples testimonial.
Your correct in that I was looking for any relief I could find.
My observation:
I do have reduced joint pain……I am able to walk much better and with less pain. Some days are better than others but all days are better then before I started my ANATABLOC treatment.
Yes $100 at GNC but I will continue using this product as long as I feel better.
Mike, pay GNC $15, good for a year, and get Anatabloc for $80 if you buy it during the first seven days of any month.
you can actually get it for less by buying it directly from the Anatabloc website and get a regular monthly shipment with no shipping charges
Judith, I just now checked Anatabloc.com and found that the price is exactly the same as GNC: $79.99. And it appears you have to have it shipped every month. I use up a bottle in 50 days, so I don’t need that much. GNC works better. LuckyVitamin.com has it for $79.99 as a Special Promotion, the regular price being $84.99. I don’t know how long the promotion lasts. It used to be the regular price.
Robert, sorry to report this or not sorry…I watch Lucky a lot and this “special promotion” thing is them “playing” with their pricing. I have purchased it 2 times I believe from Lucky for $79.99 and they even had a deal going if one buys 2 bottles of the 300 loz, the cost is $74.99….I sent a strong message to Lucky with all their playing around….makes me sick… They removed the $74.99 deal….
I’d love to have the product lower in price and maybe I’d stay with it longer, as it is I still buy it for my daughter as she claims it’s helping with her mess….but I cannot keep affording to buy for both of us at the current prices….
Manipulation of this pricing goes against my moral grain.
I’m afraid that’s the way the business world works, Joy. I don’t care how much they play around if they give me a lower price. I’ll check that supplier out before I buy my next bottle. Thanks for the info.
Actually, you can ask them to space out the orders and ship 5 or 6 weeks rather than per month, which is what I’ve asked them to do. It’s nice that GNC does have it at that price. I’m always concerned that they’d run out just when I needed it, but I’ll keep it in mind. Thanks.
Judith and others ——
You are correct, in fact there are numerous options one can select on the Anatabloc website as follows:
Go to and left click “My Account” at bottom of home page.
On the next page that comes up under pending fees, there should be listed your next pending order. Left click the order # highlighted in red.
The page that comes up at the top should say ” Repeating order”. To the right is a box “Edit Order”. Left click that box.
That should take you to the options page and you can adjust the # of bottles to order, the frequency of delivery, etc., etc.
Good luck with that.
Regarding GNC:
I don’t know that GNC will repeat their sale, but at least a couple of times recently GNC has had a one day internet and in store sale that included Anatabloc during which you could get a bottle priced as follows:
With a GNC gold card $79.99.
25% off = $59.99
Shipping = 1.00
Tax = -0-
__________
Total $60.99
This GNC sale deal is the best price that I have heard of for Anatabloc so far. One needs to really be on GNC’s email notification list in order to be on top of when GNC has this sale.
Good luck and good health all !
I hit the same GNC sale and purchased 4 bottles of 300ct unflavored for an average price of $60.24. The lowest I have ever payed for Anatabloc. Then the next day I heard that GNC brick & mortar stores had a 1 day sale for $55. So it appears the price is coming down.
Nevertheless it’s still high and I cannot believe I still pay it after 2+ years on the stuff. I pay it because it works to make my body feel better and the underlying science of reducing chronic inflammation and the possibilities of life extension. I contend after all I’ve learned about anatabine citrate, which by the way is only available in Anatabloc, that it is a revolutionary nutraceutical that will benefit my health and is safe for long time use. I also supplement with Vitamin NR and pterostilbene. See you in the year 2050.
GNC is running a today sale only, 09-12-13, for 30% off for internet orders and Anatabloc tablets are included. I ordered 3 bottles of the unflavored tablets for an average cost of $56.33 per bottle, including shipping. No sales tax to Texas. Use promotion code SEPTSAVE30 and your GNC Gold Card to get that price.
In my family, my wife, my son, me and our 13 lb. Shih Tzu all take Anatabloc. So, ask me if I think the product is a miracle discovery.
Good luck and good health to all.
Heads up Anatablocers ——-
GNC is repeating the above sale today, 9-25-13, online only and for today only.
Good luck and good health
Ok Allan, I just purchased the Gold Card and went thru C/S as it was a bit confusing to get the 30% discount…so I did buy a bottle of 300 unflavored for $61 which included tax and $1 shipping…..I’m in CA and she insisted I pay sales tax….
I’ve been on the fence about stopping anatabloc, BUT I think it does help, I’m never out of pain thou…..it does help to manage my chronic pain and body issues….unlike anyone else I’m sure….so HOPEFULLY this will work and I do get the product for $61…
Allan, more thought, I buy supplements from many companies and NEVER charged sales tax to CA, but not
today, GNC added on $5.70 tax…don’t like this one…good thing I’m saving some money on this bottle but they seem to try to get one with the sales tax…
Dear Joy, as you know, I live in CA, too. I believe our legislature passed some bill to charge sales tax on all on-line businesses where there is a physical building of that company in CA. For Amazon, CA worked out some other deal to charge all of us here sales tax, too, whereas before we weren’t charged. Amazon built/ is building a warehouse here. So we Californians continue to HAVE to contribute even MORE money to the government! Like we don’t give enough of our money to the government already!
In that case, you’re better off ordering from Anatabloc, because you don’t have to remember to get it in the first seven days of the month, as you do as GNC. Also, there’s the $15 annual charge at GNC. And you have to drive to the store.
It would be nice if some outfit could figure out the formulation and come out with its own version of Anatabloc and offer it at a much lower price. The company is gouging people without any competition.
Robert, I’ve been “on top” of a major company for a while now as to a more competitively priced product so MORE could afford it…including me and my daughter who I purchase it for.
In the beginning I got very good results, BUT, was it because I just came off 16 sessions of acupuncture, I don’t know….the very good results dropped off after 4 months as does acupuncture drop off, one has to keep up on that maintenance too…..
IF, the product were $40-$50 month, I’d sure be a happier camper and stick with it…as it is NOW, I still get acupuncture every other week now….we all have our issues and some more complex than others…
Plus, from the very beginning, I was very displeased with the ethics of how the company pushed this product….and also how they are involved in the payola of it all….wonder how much they pay Fred Couples and now Nancy Lopez…stinky thinking here…
Joy, I called a local doctor who was trained by Dr. Frank Shallenberger in his Prolozone therapy. He charges $350 for the first session and $250 for each session thereafter, and thinks three are required. That’s $850, and the results are permanent — for less than the cost of a year’s supply of Anatabloc at a bottle per month. And this doctor has strong credentials. Even if five sessions are needed, the total if $1,350, and you’re way ahead in long-term cost. However, I’m sure prices vary with doctors. One would have to check.
Robert et. al. Regarding the cost if you take $ 79 divided by 300 it is $ .263 per lozenger. So if you take 6 it costs $ 1.58 per day. A cup of coffee at Starbucks costs $ 4 -$5. Anatabloc is a bargain. Plus as you know people eliminate drugs with side effects. What is that worth? I would say a whole bunch.
For me and I’m has honest as the day is long….I’m disgusted with the company and their antics…I still buy it for my daughter and monitor the shipments from Abloc, and they were supposed to ship on 9/9 and low and behold I get an email that they shipped to her 9/6…not the “plan” we discussed….this has gone on TOO MUCH with them…
Then there is the scandal with the Williams character….hard to get over that issue…sorry folks…
I still take it but less and less as Zyflamend is helping and so much much less money…..the average joe or under average can NEVER afford this overpriced supp…I know many love it, and I got 4 good months, Jan-April and that has stopped in my body…so we do what we feel right for us.
Does anyone know if it helps with rheumatoid arthritis?
Angela, I’m not aware of, there is, no arthritis published research on Anatabloc. Theoretically reducing inflammation in mouse thyroid glands might mean it holds promise at reducing inflammation elsewhere and as such, maybe helping arthritis. That said, I am completely guessing here, having no proof either way unfortunately. Best I could say is try it for a month and see if it helps. You should know in a month if its helping or not. I hope you let me know what happens if you try it.
Joe and Angela, I don’t think a month trial is an indication, when I try things, I give it a good 2-3 month trial, RA is associated with chronic inflammation as is OA which I deal with along with a mess of inflammation from a hip replacement, I’m not a good poster lady for replacements. I know when I was active on The Roadback Foundation group where members deal mostly with RA, some were trying it over there…most there do long courses of antiobiotic therapy, which has it’s own set of side effects….
I now take Zyflamend with the anatabloc and getting more relief there, everyone’s body is so unique and no one has my issues, etc…
And I too believe, abloc needs to be more affordable for the regular joe or joy or regular person period.
Angela, give it a good trial, that is the only way you will find out….watch the inflammatory foods too, cut out those sugars/carbs FOR SURE.
Dear Joy and ANGELA, oh yes, in addition to all my life changes for RA, I ALSO started taking Zylamend, as Joy has. That’s been a new addition for a couple months. Robert Brink advised me to be sure and let the Anatabloc tabs entirely dissolve in my mouth, which I hadn’t been doing too well (I guess there are also pills you just swallow, too, but I bought the lozenges).
Joe’s site is so good because you learn things not only from Joe, but also from fellow sufferers. You need to weed out good advice from bad, but Joe follows our conversations and adds his own researched advice if someone is way off-base. Joe is the greatest!! (I’m not his mother, relative or agent-just an admirer.)
Angela, I have RA and have been on Enbrel and Methotrexate almost from the beginning of my diagnosis. I had a positive RF and my rheumatologist said I have moderate to severe RA. I was diagnosed about 6-7 years ago. I took Anatabloc for months without any discernible help. But I am now “stable” for the first time in those years. I also changed my entire diet to exclude glutens, soy, dairy and eggs in April 2013.
So I am doing much better all in all, but was it just one thing (like Anatabloc) or all the things I’ve taken and been doing, I can’t know! People have individual results when taking the same thing. From what Joe and others have said, there aren’t side effects that we know of, so it’s worth trying, I’d say. Best wishes!
Well…………………. I agree there is nothing in the research data that supports their numerous claims regarding this product. I’m also very skeptical due to the price. None of the ingredients in this product are that expensive and you are talking pennies to manufacture.
If you want a natural anti-inflammatory try virgin Kalamata olive oil. The benefits of this anti-inflammatory are well documented. Olive oil even helps reverse the effects of type 2 diabetes. Olive oil is not nearly as expensive as this product. I can’t see many working class people forking out $79.00 to $99.00 per month for this product.
Joe,
I would like to part some wisdom with the folks asking and making comments about “A”. First, Anatabloc is the supplement developed by Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals. Second, Rock Creek Pharm is owned by Star Scientific. All three have different websites. Anatabloc has it’s own, RC, and Star have their own. Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals is a non-profit subsidiary of Star Scientific. RC is located in Sarasota Florida.
Before any major drug study is done they begin with mice, rates, and/or monkeys. I have not seen any major study directly begin with humans. That would be just plain mean. For example, a recent approved weight loss drug by Arena Pharma, began with Rats. The drug was approved ten years later. That’s about how long it takes for the multiple studies needed to get FDA Approval. RC and Star have stumbled on to something that has real potential. They aren’t the only organizations conducting/ed studies on anatabine.
See Johns Hopkins U study, see UK Study, there are a couple of others I will not mention them all. As for “A” I use it and as you can see I’ve done my DD in the product before using. I’ve got bad knees from jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft so I take “A” daily it has done a phenomenal job. My mother broker her hip several months ago, I gave her some of my “A”.
It drastically reduced the swelling and shes walking normally know. So with that said. I have invested in Star Scientific, the product works for me and my family and I believe that it has the potential to be the next Aspirin, Alieve, Bufferin, or whatever pain reliever you want to compare it to.
DS Thanks!
Robert and Judith
This forum is about people wanting to express their ideas on “A”. To my understanding you are a former journalist. Both sides of an argument should be presented, I don’t agree with your side of the argument concerning “A” and I believe I have a right to express that. If truth being told Robert you don’t like not being “king of the hill”. You have met your match on the opposite side of the fence in reference to “A” and you don’t like it. I have learned that when a person responds in a “whatever” manner, the know they are beat. You and Jill are right I have express my view’s on “A” and should move on. I will, and you should too. But, I have to admit I will miss the amusement of reading your ridiculously biased, and boring posts on “A”. I leave out of respect for Joe, the other posters.
Robert
Sorry for the delay on answering your post, but about half way through it, I fell asleep. Better than Ambien. For the safety of others, please advise on your future post, “do not attempt to read while driving, or operating heavy equipment.”
To the point. Read attached link. If the makers of “A” would have the gall to deviate from the truth about a study performed at no other than John Hopkins, what does that possibly tell you about the other studies involving the product.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/latest-news/new-investor-suit-filed-against-star-scientific/article_aa572c3a-47cb-50f1-b7a5-2cd1c6fc76cf.html
Joy
Obvious to me, and I’m sure to others, you are pushing “A” off on other people, just not in a direct way. geeeezzzzzz!!!! Well what is it? Is “A” for pain, or for allergies? Maybe with the proper clinical data we could differentiate. Could be both, who knows. That’s the point.
Instead of hearing from you what your “personal experiences’ are, it would be nice to hear of personal experiences in a clinical setting. Joy, legitimacy is the issue, not your personal experiences. Just another testimonial to me, and I’ve already given my opinion of those.
Pete, it is my personal experiences, that is how it works FOR ME…..no science or FDA etc will do it for me, it’s what the “supp” does/has done for me….same with grape seed ex, going on 18 yrs…I got on it as we were told it “may” prevent cancer, and a couple weeks out my allergies and sinus issues were gone..after a prior life of drugs and allergists…
Now some claim “A” helps their allergies, I don’t know….I’m taking it for inflammation re: chronic pain mess from an FDA approved hip replacement.
Life is all our experiences….we just agree to disagree on this….I’m done for now on this issue. j
Robert
To be honest, I don’t believe you or anyone else making claims that have not been proven. Are you a doctor, or clinician who has done research on “A”? You are just offering a “testimonial”, and that carries no weight in the arena of science. I can testify that I am a billionaire, but until I offer proof, would you believe me? Hardly. And, your attitude toward science. We wouldn’t even be having these exchanges if it weren’t for the supposed science of “A”. A very smart person once told me, “science and numbers are the closes we can get to God’s signature”.
Pete, depend on who’s god you want to believe…I’m my god and I know what “works” and what does NOT….
I don’t PUSH “A” on anyone, I share my personal experiences, and I KNOW grape seed WORKS big time as I enter into my 18th year on it and have NOT used a drug for allergies in all those years….grape seed ex and FDA do not get along…
Gotta start somewhere and one drug I took from the FDA world put me in the ER…..joy
What else is there is there is not PERSONAL experiences….geeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz
Joy, Robert, offshore-wealthl, Why are you wasting your energy and emotions responding to “Pete”? I have no idea how he found this website but he obviously is “getting off” on pushing your buttons. He really has no interest whatsoever in the benefits of Anatabloc. You’re just wasting your time and energy for nothing. Those of us who have tried it for our various reasons and have found it beneficial, know that it helps.
Judith, you’re right, he does want to push our buttons. I think he said some time ago that he was in some kind of scientific field, and I believe it sticks in his craw that a product has been found to work so well in combating pain without having undergone the usual scientific testing. That’s why he can’t let this go. He doesn’t seem to distinguish between products made of natural substances, such as Anatabloc, and drugs made of chemicals.
It would be best for us to ignore him.
And who suggests you should believe anyone here, or anyone in the sciences for that matter. I have seen it all, and I can’t count the many times science has been wrong, the same for FDA, so again, who says you should believe anyone, people post their results, good, bad and ugly, it is that simple. No one would even be here if not for being skeptical, I know that is how I found this site, but I didn’t believe anyone before personally evaluating results for my own sanity.
Now almost a year later, my issues were resolved, so much so I would never stop using A. No ill effects, nothing but results, and I ask no one to believe me, I could care less what others believe or not believe. I don’t sell the product, I am just a user who saw results I wasn’t planning on seeing. I think most hear who report the good, bad and ugly are also posting honestly from what I see, and sure, it won’t work for everyone, nothing does, but I don’t see anyone who is begging to be believed posting here. Seems to be a very straight forward honest discussion on product to me. Take it for what it is worth, an open discussion.
Pete, let me attempt to clarify things. A very large number of persons, including myself, have provided testimonials on this forum about the relief from pain we have experienced from using Anatabloc. A tiny number have reported no benefit. Is it your contention that all of us, or the majority of us, who have claimed efficacy from the supplement are either liars or self-deceptive? If so, you have, least egregiously, denied the scientific law of averages, and most presumptuously, made a cockeyed conclusion that renders you totally incredible. People come to forums such as this seeking information on whether particular products perform as promised. I have visited many sites seeking testimonials on products to guide me in deciding whether to purchase them. If the testimonials are overwhelmingly favorable, logic tells me there is a good, though not 100 percent, chance the product will work for me. If the testimonials are mixed, I might decide not to make the purchase, depending on the price. What you are saying is that such sites, or forums, have no validity. In effect, you are saying they should not exist. I, on the other hand, think these sites, and particularly Supplement Geek, provide a very valuable service, for which I am grateful.
You asked if I were a doctor. No, but I think that know more about nutrition than almost any medical doctor because our medical institutions require hardly any course work in nutrition. I did a fair amount of medical writing for newspapers, and wrote an article about saturated fats for a short-lived magazine. Because you are fixated on “scientific evidence” as the only valid indication of a supplement’s worth, I am going to provide a more detailed example, in an excerpt from that article, of how adherence to such “evidence” has seriously undermined the health of the entire Western world.
The excerpt refers to studies on statin drugs. Here it is:
(Internationally renowned lipid (fats) biochemist Mary) Enig referred to two studies that proponents of the lipid hypothesis have cited as proof of its validity. The Framingham Heart Study in Massachusetts began in 1948 and compared two groups totaling 6,000 people at five-year intervals. One consumed little cholesterol and saturated fat, the other large amounts.
“After 40 years,” said Enig, “the director of this study had to admit: ‘In Framingham, Mass., the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower the person’s serum cholesterol” and the less the person weighed.
But the study most cited by experts to justify low-fat diets, she said, was the Lipid Research Clinics Coronary Primary Prevention Trial, which cost $150 million. Its purpose was to determine the effects of a cholesterol-lowering drug, and all participants were given a low-cholesterol, low-saturated-fat diet.
“Their statistical analysis of the results implied a 24 percent reduction in the rate of coronary heart disease in the group taking the drug compared with the placebo group,” although the drug group had more deaths from other causes, including cancer and stroke. However, Enig said, “Independent researchers who tabulated the results of this study found no significant statistical difference in coronary heart disease death rates between the two groups.” Nonetheless, the mainstream media and medical journals alike touted the study as “the long-sought proof that animal fats are the cause of heart disease, America’s number one killer.”
Enig cited a number of population studies that, she wrote, “squarely contradict the cholesterol-heart disease connection.”
(These are too many for me to detail in this space.)
Scientific evidence often cannot be relied upon, Pete.
Joy, most of the unsubstantial claims that you, Robert, and others make on “A” without credible clinical evidence makes it just as easy for me NOT to believe in them, as compared to all of you believing. It’s great to be enthused about a product, etc., but you can’t let enthusiasm get in the way of rational thinking.
Giving people advice on using a product that does not have any sufficient long-term safety, or efficacy data available on People could be dangerous to that individual if not a healthcare provider.
Most of the clinical trials I witness have been on rats. Rats have a completely different metabolism, physiology, and etc. from humans. Therefore conclusions are not specific to what is being studied or tested. Therefore, enthusiasm good, but lacking rational thinking.
Pete, I have a suggestion for you: If you don’t trust the reports of myself and others as to Anatabloc’s efficacy, with no adverse side effects, then don’t use it. Just go away and stop trying to prevent others from relieving their pain. It probably makes you feel important to posture as the watchdog against such irresponsible persons as Joy and me on behalf of unsuspecting readers of this forum, but I really don’t think they’re in any danger and you should find another outlet to bolster your ego.
As for myself, i will continue to be wary of much of what is purported to be “scientific evidence” when, for example, the FDA informs the American public that statin drugs are both efficacious and safe, when masses of evidence both scientific and anecdotal indicate quite the contrary. Surveys have shown that half of the users of statin drugs suffer muscle problems, some of them permanent, and tales of persons suffering bouts of amnesia abound.
It is my considered opinion that anyone who unquestioningly accepts “scientific evidence” and discounts anecdotal evidence is, well, not very knowledgeable about science, and gullible in the extreme.
Thanks everyone. I think I’ll stick wih Advil.
Has anyone out there with psoriatic arthritis taken anatabloc? I’ve been on some very expensive drugs that haven’t helped the inflammation much. In fact, they’ve wrecked havoc on several organs. I sure would love to hear how “A” worked…..or didn’t for them.
Jim, I was on a formum, Inspire.com, and they had a group for PA and at the time several were taking “A” with success…..I talked about “A” so much, that the group banned me, they may have been run by big pharma, who knows, but I talked a lot about it. Check that group out if you care to. I deal with OA and Fibro and a mess from hip replacement. Or MAYBE they thought I was an investor in the company, which I am NOT. joy
Joy, I looked up Inspire.com. they only say that they are a privately held company in Princeton NJ. Other than that I am not sure about them.
Would Anatabloc help a person withdraw from valium?
Thank you…JM
Jane, I have no idea. there is no evidence on valium withdrawal either way. Best I could say is try it and you should know in a month if its helping.
JM, I took Valium many years ago while in a high stress sales job, and other jobs, one day I fell and messed up my knee and decided to wean off…it was easy….
Some yrs later I was taking 1/4mg Lorazepam to help with sleep and once I got on Lemon Balm with my sleep combo I weaned off that 1/4mg Lorazepam…
I’m glad to be rid off those benzos….tooooo addicting and other supps can be used instead of…good luck…joy
When is the publication of the peer review on Anatabloc coming out?
Jill, Im not sure but I did just post a new Anatabloc study that was recently published. Its in this review. It was on Anatabloc and muscle soreness.
Joe, you said “It’s in this review”…Where is the review? Can you post the hyperlink? I’m really interested in the topic of muscle soreness.. Thanks.
Judith, yes in the Anatabloc review there is a section called “Anatabloc Research Update” that is there I reviewed the Anatabloc and muscle soreness study. Its listed right under the section where I review all the Anatabloc research.
Thanks, Joe
I learned about Anatabloc trading stocks. I got transversemyalitis 6 years ago. Its when your immune system attacts the spinal cord. Took a few years but I mostly came back, except an occasional light headed moments (scary), when I pop up too fast. Started taking Anatabloc 6 months ago. The light headed thing stopped the 2nd week. At one point for a couple of days I had only taken 1 a day, got out the car quickly n everything started turning grey again. Now, I take as directed. My belief is Anatabloc reduces inflammation in the veins n arteries, which increases blood flow to every organ in the body; brain heart colon spleen etc……. PS; last week noticed my hand eye coordination had increased. Please inform me of any bad side effects of Anatabloc
Joy
Thank God for “big pharma”. Do you think they are the reason you and others have lived 70 yrs. with a life expectancy of women about 80. I honestly hope you live to be a hundred, but the reality is you want without “big Phama”‘s research and developement that bring new and better products to the market. Post is directed to those who have bashed “big pharma” in earlier posts. Go and have surgery, and not rely on the pain meds currently available. “A” will probably be sufficient. Good luck with that one. lol
Pete, I don’t know why I even reply to this…
“Go and Have Surgery”…I did this twice hysterectomy in 80’s and have dealt with sciatic nerve damage since that one….now hip replacement in 2010, almost 3 yrs ago, and my body is so messed up…..
I don’t want another knife to touch my body, thank you very much…..
You go ahead and live to 100, it does NOT appeal to me…
Pete and Joy,
Thanks to gmail, Pete’s message disappeared from my email file since last night and I had to go to the website. I scrolled all the way to the posts in early May before I found the post by Pete and Joy’s response.
I’m certainly no expert on this, but I think Big Pharma has done important things to extend human life, mainly develop antibiotics. People used to die from infections. Tuberculosis was a major killer, and that was virtually conquered. Diseases such as smallpox, chicken pox, whooping cough, and diphtheria have been almost eliminated, thanks to the development of drugs. Lockjaw and rabies are no longer death sentences because of pharmaceuticals.
But these rights don’t justify wrongs. It is not okay for Big Pharma to say, “I made a lot of money doing good things for people, so now I have the right to make a lot of money doing things that are not good for people. For every drug that is beneficial, I should be entitled to produce one that is harmful.”
Yet that seems to be the mentality of the drug industry. Profits take precedence over beneficence. That, sad to say, is human nature. Thus, investigators cite numerous instances in which industry forces have mobilized to quash inexpensive natural remedies, free of adverse side effects, that would impinge on their profits.
Probably the greatest fraud Big Pharma has perpetrated, one that has caused, and continues to cause, incalculable harm to the health of the entire Western world, is the false propaganda that cholesterol is the major cause of heart disease. The reason that the drug industry spread this lie was to sell statin drugs, which have a market of almost $30 billion annually. Every noted alternative physician, persons of abundant academic and professional accomplishments, plus internationally renowned lipid biochemist Mary Enig, Ph.D., tell us that cholesterol is a bit player in heart attacks, and back up their assertion with plentiful research.
These doctors began their practices using conventional treatments and, becoming disillusioned, did research on natural treatment protocols. Enig has cited studies on statin drugs that showed one set of results when the studies were conducted by doctors who included board members of pharmaceutical companies, and a markedly different set of results when independent studies were conducted. LDL cholesterol is a response to inflammation in the arteries, and this can be combated through diet and supplements, Enig and alternative doctors insist. Meanwhile, statin drugs cause very harmful side effects while having almost no benefit. Dr. David Brownstein, director of the Center for Holistic Medicine, lists six steps for preventing prostate cancer. One of them is: Avoid harmful prostate drugs.
We all are aware of the lists of harmful side effects the advertisers run through at the end of TV ads on drugs. These drugs are not necessary. They’re only useful in making profits for their makers. In almost all cases, diet and supplementation are better answers to maladies.
I would urge you, Pete, to do some research on this issue. Check out drbrownstein.com. Look up “The Skinny on Fats” by Mary Enig and Sally Fannon. Read a little about Uffe Ravnskov, the Danish physician and researcher who authored “The Cholesterol Myths” and “Fat and Cholesterol Are Good For You.” Learn the findings of Dr. Al Sears. There are too many to mention.
Robert,
I agree completely with your well written message. Regarding the cholesterol issue, I have read articles and seen interviews with doctors who believe that cholesterol is only a sign of something else going on, i.e., it’s the effect of something, not the cause and trying to medicate for cholesterol itself is useless and that, in fact, we need cholesterol and fat.
Robert
Way off subject. Obviously we are on opposite sides of the fence on these issues, but I do respect your views. There is a lot more to bringing products to the medical community than you are aware of. The approval of a product (statins) under go extensive clinical trials that may take years and years before they are approved by the FDA, and proven safe and effective for the public. This is very costly, and through my experience, can cost $500 million or more. Somebody has to pay for that, just like someone has, or has paid, for Anatabloc to be brought to market. Does the company give “A” away, I don’t think so. Don’t know for sure, but I bet taking all in consideration, the profit margins are much greater with “A” than most FDA approved medications.
The articles you mentioned on cholesterol, I have read before. They are excellent, but nothing “new”. “Fats and cholesterol are good for you”. Of course they are. There are good fats and bad fats, as well as cholesterol. This is biology 101. There are some experts that agree that there is no such thing as bad, or good fats, or cholesterol, just plain old fats and cholesterol.
I am glad “A” works for you and others, but being a scientist, I need more proof, and less testimonials. The phase “placebo effect” comes to mind.
Pete, I thank you for respecting my views, and I don’t want to be contentious here, but we’ve hashed out this issue of the placebo effect regarding Anatabloc pretty thoroughly in this forum. Considering the volume, and very high percentage, of persons reporting benefits from the substance, it would be one for the history books, a defiance of all mathematical probability, if this phenomenon were attributable to the placebo effect. It is at this point that one’s devotion to science obliterates one’s perception of simple common sense.
As to development of pharmaceutical products, I am fully aware that a great amount of expense is involved. That is one reason for the inordinately high prices charged for drugs. I also am aware that statin drugs were developed many years ago, and that the profits built up over those years have been enormous. As for their having been proven “safe” and “effective” for the public, that is a matter of much dispute.
The countless numbers of people who have developed serious muscle ailments from their use probably wouldn’t agree. Most of the persons I know who have taken statin drugs had to stop taking them for that reason. One could hardly walk. Her total cholesterol is almost 300, but her HDL is a very high 80, and she has felt great ever since quitting that drug several years ago against her doctor’s grave warnings. Dr. Al Sears says his HDL is 100, so you know his total has to be at least 280. He’s in fantastic shape.
Another friend experienced amnesia, and I’ve heard of others who have had the same effects. A doctor who campaigns against statin drugs is a former user who became panicky when, for five minutes, he forgot how to fly the plane he was piloting. These things are safe?
How about effective? Studies of people who died of heart attacks have shown that just as many had low cholesterol as high cholesterol. And people over 70 with high cholesterol are less likely do die of a heart attack, according to at least one study. Mary Enig, the lipid biochemist, said the study most cited by experts to justify low-fat diets was the Lipid Research Clinics Coronary Primary Prevention Trial, which cost $150 million. Its purpose was to determine the effects of a cholesterol-lowering (statin) drug, and all participants were given a low-cholesterol, low-saturated-fat diet. “Their statistical analysis of the results implied a 24 percent reduction in the rate of coronary heart disease in the group taking the drug compared with the placebo group,” although the drug group had more deaths from other causes, including cancer and stroke.
However, Enig said, “Independent researchers who tabulated the results of this study found no significant statistical difference in coronary heart disease death rates between the two groups.” Nonetheless, the mainstream media and medical journals alike touted the study as “the long-sought proof that animal fats are the cause of heart disease, America’s number one killer.”
This is what is hailed as “scientific proof.” And the entire Western world has been misled ever since.
Thank you, but I’ll take the testimonials. They’re more reliable. There’s no profit motive with them. They don’t cheat.
I have been taking statin’s for over 5 years and i never made the connection on why i was always so sore and stiff and took forever to recover from any physical activity, and then two weeks ago i went on vacation and forgot my statin, and was amazed how much better i felt each day. got home and studied the side effects for statins and realized it has been destroying my quality of life for years.
I am so glad to be done with them and mad at myself for never making that connection. This is why i took a chance on anatabloc earlier this year to see if it could help me because i felt like i was 90 every day and i am only 48.
Randy, wow! Forgetting those statins turned out to be fortuitous. I don’t know what your situation is, but if you were taking them for elevated LDL, the so-called “bad” cholesterol, you can lower that with a healthy diet. Or at least you can achieve a good ratio of LDL and HDL. The supposed experts say the ideal ratio between HDL and total cholesterol is 3.5 to 1. My total at last count was 215 (or 210) and HDL was 70, so my ratio is about 3, which is good. I get it through good diet and strenuous interval exercises 10 minutes a day (of actual exercising) every other day, following a routine suggested by Dr. Al Sears. I’m 75 years old. If you have a heart problem, a guy named Dr. Bruce West, who has a practice in Monterey, California, insists he has cured or helped 70,000 heart patients through his regimen of phytonutrients.
More than 20 years ago, he told Dick Cheney he could cure him of his heart disease, and if the politician continued on his same course of heart medications, he eventually would require a heart transplant. Cheney declined his offer, and that’s just what happened a year or two ago. Dr. West formulates these phytonutrients himself, and they’re not cheap. He’s at healthalert.com, in case you’re interested.
Thanks so much for not only all the legwork you did in researching Anatabloc, but in keeping this conversation going re; its effectiveness. I am a 54 year old woman with degenerative (& increasingly debilitating) osteo and rheumatoid arthritis, and took myself off the pharma ani-inflammatories due to the health risks. I am desperate to try anything that might help with my pain, but am also naturally skeptical of commercial claims of product effectiveness without hard science to back it up.
However, I am very encouraged by the many people whose testimonies suggest that they have found relief with Anatabloc. That alone is enough to encourage me to give it a try, even with the steep price tag (like everyone else here, I’m not made of money).
I’ll weigh in down the line & let you know how it worked for me. In any case, a big thank you to all of you who shared your stories!
Kathy you are very welcome and I do hope Anatabloc helps you. Please let me know what happens.
i have just read the entire blog on anatabloc and am able to determine that while there are no conclusive human trials, there appears to be much agreement on moderation of pain from the inflammatory component . therefore, since it is still experimental, has anyone who is healthy beside suffering from joint pain from sports, experienced any side effects? would it be safe to say that there is no danger trying this to see if it is effective?
alexapage I have been taking A* since February of this year without side effects. I am age 70 and weigh over 220 so I take 12 a day and believe it has helped my back pain. Not completely so I’m seeing my Doctor this week to work on some other issues such as soreness in my hips and neck. If I didn’t think it helped me in controlling pain, I wouldn’t spend the money.
I am very sorry to hear that Joy is no longer getting the effect that she had before. If that happens to me I will report it to Joe for his readers.
Jay, you have no idea how SORRY I am, I was doing SO GOOD, and then bam…why not sure…I’m not willing to take 10-12 tabs, I was taking 8 for my body weight….I have such a complex mess and so I’m back on Meso Injections and acupuncture and still take Abloc, but added Zyflamend to the mix….we’ll see…
My right knee has bothered me for 15 yrs and the Meso injecitons the other day, got to the Soft Tissue Damage down from the knee joints…and they helped the other day, black and blue spots but that will heal, I use arnica for injury healing…..
No side effects to speak of, I had some constipation in the beginning, but take xtra magnesium daily, thru the day and this works for me….
I can see how it does help those with colitis/crohns disease….
I’m into my 6th month, it worked GREAT for 1st 4 months but something happened and it’s not as effective, I still take it, but added another anti inflammatory to my routine….