Updated 6/6/24. Carnivora is a health supplement derived from the carnivorous Venus flytrap (Dionaea muscipula) that you may have seen advertised online or heard of during radio commercials (such as Coast to Coast AM with George Noory). Carnivora is said to help the immune system function better, or in the words of one YouTube video I saw, “wakes up the immune system and makes it dominant.” Does Carnivora work?” is the question everybody asks me. I've been curious about this product since I first heard the Coast to Coast AM radio commercial, so in this Carnivora review, I will share what I found when I looked at the research. Let's see what we can discover.
Who Makes Carnivora?
The company is called Carnivora Research International its website is Carnivora.com. The Contact Us page of the Carnivora.com website actually lists the emails of a variety of people within the Carnivora organization ―even the owner/CEO of the company, Richard Ostrow.
That level of transparency is rare in the supplement world, and I actually appreciated seeing this. There is no official address for the Carnivora company. There is, however a PO Box address:
- PO Box 1035 Weston CT 06883-0035
This is the same address listed on the BBB file for Carnivora also.
To contact Carnivora call 866 836 8735.
I was curious where Carnivora was made. I was unable to find this answer.
Carnivora Research International is a Better Business Bureau accredited company since 2009. It had a rating of “A+” when this review was updated. The company has been in business since 1981. See the BBB file updates and more information.
Carnivora Research
On the Science of Carnivora page of the product website, there are links to many studies that serve as a testament to the benefits of Carnivora. Most of the links were clickable and linked directly to published peer-reviewed studies. I liked that. I looked at all of the studies listed on the Science of Carnivora page and, after which came to these conclusions:
1. The word “Carnivora” does not appear in most of the studies listed
2. Most of the studies listed are test-tube or mouse studies
This means most of the research is not on the supplement
Many of the studies make references to compounds ―such as something called Plumbagin ―but studies of individual/isolated ingredients (in test tubes or lab animals) are not the same thing as human studies on Carnivora itself.
After looking at the evidence presented on the product website, my question is:
American Cancer Society
American Cancer Society states that in 1985, a German oncologist named Helmut Keller who invented Carnivora in the 1970s (and who holds the patent on it) did a study involving 210 people with various types of cancer. Dr. Keller noted that 56% of people treated with the Carnivora extract experienced either remission or stabilization of their tumors. That's really impressive, but the ACS said the study has not been replicated.
I was not able to locate this study.
Why didn't Dr. Keller replicate his findings?
To be fair, it is disappointing that the American Cancer Society themselves did not attempt to replicate this study. The ACS did say the study was published, so I assume they have read it.
If anyone can show me the published study of Dr. Keller and Carnivora, I'll be happy to update this review.
A study published in 2013 reviews various compounds in Venus flytrap as they relate to cancer. This study covers several mouse and tube research investigations on Venus flytrap compounds. It does not mention human studies. The study does not mention Carnivora by name.
Other Carnivora Research
After writing my review, I was contacted by an information specialist at Carnivora, the conversation of which you can read in the comments below. The person informed me that there was additional research on Carnivora performed in Europe 25 years ago. I was told this research was prohibited in the US. I was also told that to read that information, I would have to provide an email address that was not based in either the US or Canada.
It was an odd request. However, I was intrigued by the possibility that additional research existed, so I complied and received the information a few days later. Below is a summary of the documents I received, along with my thoughts on that information.
1. President Regan and Carnivora. I was sent what appears to be, a small page out of a book, that discusses President Regan's use of Carnivora to treat polyps. If this is a book excerpt, there is no citation as to what that book is. In the January 2011 issue of Dr. Rowen's Second Opinion Newsletter (see below for more info), Dr. Rowen says that President Regan “used Carnivora with success to keep malignant polyps from returning in 1985.”
But, according to the website DrZebra.com, President Regan had his polyps surgically removed in 1987. If they were successfully treated by Carnivora in 1985, why did he have surgery to remove the polyps in 1987? Regardless of who is right on this issue, this book excerpt is not a published peer-reviewed study.
2. German Cancer Therapies: Natural and Conventional Medicines that Offer Hope and Healing. This is a book by Dr. Morton Walker, a freelance writer and retired podiatrist, and was published in 2003. I mentioned Dr. Walker in the section about Carnivora and HIV, so see that section also. Chapters 3, 4 and 5 of that book discusses Carnivora. That said, book chapters sent to me did not contain any peer-reviewed studies to substantiate the claims made in these chapters. As such, we can't tell anything about them.
Remember, I had to provide a non-USA-based email address to receive all of the information discussed in this section. I don’t see why I had to do this because this book is available on Amazon.
3. Comments of Dr. Daniel Kinner, OMD, L.Ac. On His Personal Clinical Experience Using Carnivora, Venus Flytrap Extract. This appears to be a letter dated March 8, 2000, from Dr. Kinner to Carnivora Research International. According to his website, DanKennerresearch.com, Dr. Kinner holds a Ph.D. in Naturopathic Medical Science and is an Oriental Medical Doctor (OMD). He is also a licensed acupuncturist (L.Ac).
In the letter, Dr. Kinner speaks of the experiences of his patients who used Carnivora. All the experiences were positive. But, since this is just a letter, it is not a published peer-reviewed study and amounts to just a testimonial, in my view.
4. The Townsend Letter for Doctors. This appears to be an alternative medicine newsletter (published in the US) and the issue that was sent to me is dated May 1992. I am not sure who wrote this article. There is a reference circled in the document, which I imagine is proof of what is stated in the newsletter. The reference circled is titled:
Kreher B, “Structure elucidation of plumbagin-analagues from Dionaca Muscipula and their immunomodulating activities in vitro and in vivo. International Symposium: Molecular Recognition, Sopron, Hungry, August 24-27, 1988.”
From the title, it appears this citation represents a study that was presented at a science convention. While presenting information is good in that it helps disseminate information to the scientific community, it does not mean that the information has gone through the peer-review process.
Regardless, this is not a human study. I was not sent any peer-reviewed studies of this information either, so it appears that this investigation was never peer-reviewed. Why was this information never published in a medical journal?
5. Dr. Robert Rowen's Second Opinion Newsletter, dated August 2004. This is just a newsletter where a doctor discusses what he knows and has observed about Carnivora. It also mentions Dr. Kenner (see point #3). Unfortunately, there are no peer-reviewed references in the attached newsletter either.
6. Dr. Robert Rowen's Second Opinion Newsletter, dated July 2009. In this issue of the newsletter, Carnivora is also discussed but it doesn’t say anything new. It just appears to be a rehash of Ronald Reagan and other people who said they were helped by Carnivora.
7. Dr. Robert Rowen's Second Opinion Newsletter. This newsletter is dated January 2011. Again, this is just a newsletter.
8. Molecular Recognition: Carnivora a New Discovery. This document is dated 1988. In the email I received, I was told that this is a clinical study. But, there is no author and no citation about where this is published. I don’t know if “Molecular Recognition” is the title of a journal or a chapter in a book or a private, internal document. This does not look like any published peer-reviewed study I've ever seen.
9. Comparison of lymphocytes subpopulation in various cancer therapies. This document is said to be a European clinical study, however it is not peer-reviewed and does not appear to be published in any medical journal. While it has a couple of graphs, the document appears for the part, to be a letter dated February 13, 1995, written by someone (who, I don’t know) to Dr. Helmut Keller.
There were other documents sent to me also that were said to be “European studies” however they don’t appear to be published in any medical journal.
Unfortunately, none of the documents sent to me are to the level that I would accept as “proof”, which is published, peer-reviewed research.
Carnivora and Dr. C. Joe Schneller
One YouTube video about Carnivora features Dr. C. Joe Schneller who said he is doing a study of how 3 capsules a day of Carnivora “wakes up the immune system and makes it dominant.”
The video was uploaded on June 16, 2011, but it appears to not yet be completed or published, as it is not listed on the Carnivora website or listed in the National Library of Medicine. Likewise, when I did a Google search for:
“Dr. Schneller Carnivora study,”
No study was revealed. I will update this review with his study and its results if it gets published.
Let's next look at some of the major reasons people might be interested in Carnivora and attempt to find clinical studies for those uses. That way, those interested in specific issues can get an idea of whether Carnivora might be right for them.
Carnivora and The Immune System
Carnivora is primarily marketed as something that can improve/modulate the immune system. Ironically, when I searched the National Library of Medicine for “Carnivora” no relevant studies showed up. So, I searched the National Library of Medicine for these specific words to see if there were any research:
- Venus flytrap immune
- Venus flytrap immunity
- Venus flytrap immune system
- Venus flytrap phagocytosis (refers to how some immune cells work)
- Venus flytrap antibody
- Venus flytrap B cell (B cells are a type of immune cell)
- Venus flytrap T cell (T cells are a type of immune cell)
- Dionaea Muscipula immune
- Dionaea Muscipula immune system
- Dionaea Muscipula immunity
- Dionaea Muscipula phagocytosis
- Dionaea Muscipula antibody
- Dionaea Muscipula B cell
- Dionaea Muscipula T cell
No studies showed up for any of these search terms.
This may mean Venus flytrap/ Dionaea Muscipula might not have been specifically studied for its effects on how it improves the immune system.
So why is it being marketed to boost immunity?
One of the compounds in the Venus flytrap is called Plumbagin. Some websites even claim that Plumbagin is the active ingredient in Carnivora.
Plumbagin does have some research. For example, Plumbagin has been studied for its possible anti-cancer effects. When I searched the National Library of Medicine for:
“Plumbagin immune” (click the link to see the studies) I saw a lot of studies, but most of them were conducted in test tubes or used lab mice.
What I didn't see was a study showing that Plumbagin (oral or injected) prevented the flu or improved arthritis symptoms ―or improved any other immune system-related condition ―in humans.
Carnivora and AIDS
Since Carnivora is touted to improve the immune system, a logical question would be Does it help HIV/AIDS? On one website that discusses this topic, a 1994 magazine article titled, The Carnivora Cure for Cancer, AIDS and Other Pathologies” published in Immune Perspectives, is mentioned. In this article, it's said that Carnivora caused the ” total elimination of the HIV virus.”
I tried to locate this article but I could not find it.
Additionally, I was not able to find a peer-reviewed journal called “Immune Perspectives” either. In fact, I could not find ANY magazine called “Immune Perspectives.”
The author of this article was Dr. Morton Walker, whose website is DrMortonWalker.com. I believe this is the doctor associated with the Immune Perspectives article. However, when I searched his site for the article it does not appear there either.
I then searched the National Library of Medicine for these words:
- Venus flytrap AIDS
- Venus flytrap HIV
- Dionaea Muscipula AIDS
- Dionaea Muscipula HIV
This search revealed no studies either.
I did locate a 2002 study titled Inhibitory effects of quinones on RNase H activity associated with HIV-1 reverse transcriptase that noted that Plumbagin (one of the compounds in Venus flytrap, as well as other plants) inhibited an enzyme that is needed for HIV to replicate. While this is interesting, the study was over a decade ago and was basically just a test-tube study.
Because of the lack of published research on this topic, I am unfortunately forced to conclude for the moment that there is no good proof that Carnivora or Venus flytrap extracts improve immune function in those with HIV/AIDS.
Some say black seeds can cure HIV. Here is a video I created about that research
Carnivora and Cancer
Can this supplement help people with cancer? I searched the National Library of Medicine for “Carnivora Cancer” but didn’t see any studies that specifically investigated Carnivora―itself― for how it might help cancer.
This is ironic because many websites relate the story of how former President Ronald Reagan used Carnivora to prevent cancer. Mr. Reagan still had part of his colon removed because of colon cancer. So, if he did use Carnivora, how significant of an effect did it have on his cancer?
Regardless, some of the compounds (such as Plumbagin) in Venus flytrap have been studied for how they might affect cell growth. But, in these studies, Plumbagin is used as an isolated compound (which is different than Carnivora which contains a variety of compounds). Also, most research on Plumbagin appears to be in the form of test-tube/Petri dish studies or lab animal studies.
I'm not aware of any studies in humans showing that Plumbagin cures cancer or slows cancer growth.
Also, how much Plumbagin is in Carnivora? I don’t know, but either way, it's irrelevant at this point because of the lack of published studies on humans.
For a more in-depth discussion, see this 2013 review titled Venus Flytrap (Dionaea muscipula Solander ex Ellis) Contains Powerful Compounds that Prevent and Cure Cancer. When I read this study, I noticed that it never mentions the name Carnivora or the name of Dr. Helmut Keller, the creator of Carnivora.
Carnivora and Arthritis
I did a Google search for “Carnivora and arthritis” and noticed that some websites mention that Carnivora has been used in Germany as a treatment for arthritis. But, when I looked at the various websites that discuss this issue, none that I saw included any studies to substantiate that Carnivora helps arthritis. They show no proof.
Likewise, I could not find any evidence when I searched the National Library of Medicine either. Maybe it helps or maybe it doesn’t but until studies are published, I believe the idea of Carnivora helping arthritis is open to speculation.
What About GI Issues?
Proof that the supplement improves digestion or helps people with intestinal problems could not be located.
Carnivora and Lupus
I searched the National Library of Medicine for these words:
- Carnivora lupus
- Dionaea Muscipula lupus
- Venus flytrap lupus
- Plumbagin lupus
No studies showed up. Unfortunately, it appears that there is no good proof, as yet, to determine if Carnivora helps lupus.
Carnivora and Fibromyalgia
Some websites discuss Carnivora as a possible treatment for fibromyalgia pain, but those sites provide no good proof of this. Likewise, when clinical databases were searched, no proof could be located.
Carnivora and Lyme Disease
Various websites discuss that the supplement might help Lyme disease but when proof of this cant' be located. Until that research is conducted, it's impossible to say if it helps or doesn’t.
Carnivora and Alzheimer's
Is there any proof this supplement helps dementia? Evidence cannot be located. I can't find any good proof that the Carnivora improves memory or helps people with dementia, including Alzheimer's disease.
Carnivora and Cats
Some clinical evidence suggests Carnivora can help cats with Feline Herpes Virus 1 (FHV-1), a viral infection that can cause respiratory problems in cats. Researchers in 2016 published titled Effects of Administration of Carnivora on Clinical Signs in Cats After Repeat Challenge with Feline Herpesvirus 1 (click to read pdf).
This investigation appeared to show cats treated with Carnivora had fewer upper respiratory symptoms than cats treated with a placebo. Here is a summary of the study and the results:
Study Summary
- The study involved 16 young adult cats (2 years of age).
- All the cats had FHV-1 for one year before the study.
- The cats were randomly split into a group that took Carnivora for or a placebo for 56 days.
- After treatment, all cats were exposed to the FHV-1 virus.
Study Results
- Cats treated with Carnivora were observed to have fewer upper respiratory tract symptoms than the cats that received the placebo.
Interestingly, the researchers also noted that “no clinically significant differences when comparing serum biochemical values from the Carnivora treated cats before and after treatment.” If I understand this correctly, it seems even though Carnivora appeared to reduce FHV-1 symptoms, it did not kill the virus.
The study does not specifically mention any effect on the immune system cells. That is unfortunate, given the immune-modulating reputation of Carnivora.
The authors state the study was supported by the makers of Carnivora, but that the company did not take any part in the study. That is good. I'm glad they are sponsoring research.
Does It Detox Your Body?
Some websites advocate Carnivora as part of a detox or “cleanse” to rid the body of harmful parasites and waste. These websites, however, give no good proof the supplement does this.
If Carnivora did boost the immune system, then I could understand how an enhanced immune system might be better at killing off bacteria/viruses. But, we will need clinical studies on this topic to know for sure.
Carnivora Side Effects
In healthy people, I believe Carnivora is safe. The Carnivora.com website states “There are no known contraindications using Carnivora with any prescription drugs (or other dietary supplements).” This doesn't mean there aren't any side effects. It just means the company isn't aware of any.
While it probably is safe, here is a list of things to consider when taking this supplement. This list is not complete.
- Speak to your doctor if you are pregnant or breastfeeding. The company also mentions this and specifically says the supplement “is contraindicated for mid to late-term pregnancy.”
- Stop taking at least 2 weeks before having surgery. This is sage advice for all supplements too.
- Start with less than recommended for the first week to see how you respond.
- If you take blood thinner drugs, speak to your doctor/pharmacist. The product website also mentions this although they seem to not like blood thinners at all, calling them “toxic.” I'm not sure I'd go that far. The website also states blood may become too thin if taking combining blood thinner meds with high doses (20+ per administration) of Pure Extract drops.
Doctors in 2014, reported the case of a 30-year-old man with Hodgkin’s lymphoma (a type of cancer) who developed kidney failure after using the supplement for about a year. This seems to be the first case of this ever reported.
The supplement website used to discuss the possibility of a Herxheimer reaction occurring if people use too much too soon. The herxheimer reaction refers to a temporary increase in adverse symptoms. This is said to be the result of the Venus flytrap extract killing the infection. The condition was originally attributed to the treatment of syphilis with antibiotics, but it might occur with other conditions as well.
Amazon Reviews
Looking at Amazon reviews, the supplement had a rating of 4.3 out of 5-star rating with over 1500 ratings. Over 60% gave it a 5-star rating and 14% gave the
supplement a 4 star rating. Most reviews are those who made verified purchases.
How Much Extract Per Capsule?
Each bottle contains 100 capsules. Each capsule has 125 mcg of carnivore extract. The website for the supplement lists 125 mcg, taken three times per day, as the optimal intake for preventive uses.
How Much Does Carnivora Cost?
When I checked the product's website, each bottle, which contained 100 capsules, was $39.95 + shipping. The shipping options are:
- Priority Mail: $8.09
- FexEx 2Day: $28.64
- FedEx Standard Overnight $37.55
This would be in addition to the cost. Here are the available price options:
- 2 bottles: $79.90
- 3 bottles: $107.85
- 4 bottles: 143.80
- 5 bottles: 179.75
- 6 bottles: $215.70
- 7 bottles: $251.65
- 8 bottles: 287.60
- 9 bottles: $323.55
- 10 bottles $359.50
Purchasing 3 or more bottles entitles ou to a $4 discount per bottle. A free bottle is included as a bonus for those who purchase 5 or more bottles.
Each bottle of liquid Carnivora extact is $44.95. Each bottle contains 1 oz (30 ml).
Where To Buy Carnivora
The official company name is Carnivora Research International, and the website is Carnivora.com. It can be purchased directly from the company.
This supplement is not sold in stores like Walmart, CVS, Walmart, Costco, Walgreen's, or CVS. It is sold on Amazon.
Carnivora vs. The Competition
It should come as no surprise that when something gets popular, others will pop up with their own Venus flytrap supplements. There are others out there. However, there is no research comparing the benefits of Carnivora to other Venus flytrap supplements.
To the company's credit, they have sponsored some research on their supplement. That gives them an advantage over other similar venus fly trap supplements.
It's unknown how the supplement compares to other immune boosters such as Dr. Zelenko's Z-Stack vitamin formula or the ever-popular elderberry.
Carnivora Pro & Con
Pro | Con |
---|---|
Very good better business bureau rating | Limited clinical research |
BBB accredited business | Lots of internet hype |
company CEO engages with customers |
Research I'd Like To See
1. Randomly give the supplement -or placebo – to 10 people before and after measuring concentrations of various white blood cells. Let's see if anything changes.
2. Give the supplement or a placebo to 10 people with fibromyalgia and measure their pain levels before and after treatment.
3. Randomly give the supplement or placebo to 10 people with arthritis and measure their pain levels before and after treatment.
Each of these questions could be answered in a few months. It wouldn't cost much to do either. Hopefully, I just gave graduate students an idea for a dissertation topic (hint, hint).
Does Carnivora Work?
I don't know if Carnivora works or not because I don’t see human research either way. The research I found supporting one of its main ingredients (plumbagin) appears to be limited to lab animals or test-tube studies. While I remain skeptical, it's probably safe for most people, and I'm intrigued enough to hope future studies are conducted to understand this supplement better.
Michael Conroy says
Thank you for your detailed research. It’s exhausting trying to locate any reliable information on this supplement without googling a sponsored website or fake reviews. Thanks again.
Joe Cannon says
Thanks for saying that Michael, I’m glad you found my review helpful! Feel free to share it with your friends.
Chip says
Joe,
Thanks for the links, I’ve read quite a bit on kratom. “Controversial” is an understatement regarding the alleged deaths blamed on kratom. It has saved my life, as it has done for thousands of others. I was addicted to fully tested and officially approved and allegedly safe, opioids.
Kratom eliminated the need for opioids in my life – in one day. It’s legal and relatively cheap and a world away from the abject hell of opioid addiction. Without arguing, I’d much rather be addicted to kratom than be addicted to opioids. The current pharmaceutical paradigm is such that anything that isn’t “approved” must be eliminated or at least controlled and profited from.
Kratom, according to U.S. law as I understand it, cannot be patented, therefore there is no profit motive for any pharma company to pay for the required testing and approval. It will remain on the targeted list of awful stuff to be banned as efforts by pharma, through their hit squad, the FDA continue. Scott Gottleib was bought and owned a long time ago and has zero credibility with me.
Like I stated in my initial post, the entire medical industry has lost considerable credibility with half of the American public that’s paying attention to the facts and the truth.
Carnivora surprisingly isn’t yet targeted by the system.
Thank you for all you do to research supplements!
Chip
Chip says
Joe,
Thank you for your research on Carnivora. I was almost ready to try a bottle of the capsules but decided to do a little reading first. I have several questions regarding Carnivora and comment on supplements in general.
My limited understanding of the human body and digestion is that stomach acids break down and or reduce the amount of most of the compounds and alleged beneficial chemicals in plant matter. That isn’t entirely true though because I’ve taken a few vegetative supplements like marijuana, psilocybin and peyote in my misspent youth days and those “supplements” actually work as advertised.
A few years ago I discovered kratom and am amazed at its efficacy. Kratom is the first legal (in my state) supplement I’ve taken that had very noticeable and for my purpose, positive beneficial effects. I still take it daily. Addiction to anything is the least of my worries at this stage of my cancer treatment but I believe there is a strong likelihood that kratom can be addictive.
It appears that Carnivora’s effects, if any, are wholly subjective and could not stand up to any rigorous study. However, the American medical industry has lost a lot of credibility by its (forced?) participation in the covid and mask hoax. So I understand the doubts of some of the other commenters here regarding research testing, peer review and profit motives.
Kratom is currently under assault from several sources that are beholding to big pharma and the attacks on it are as outlandish as JD Anslinger’s campaign against the “devil’s weed” marijuana. My own doctors are utterly ignorant of kratom – absolutely inculcated in the American/Western medical paradigm.
My point: who the hell are we to believe when “experts” are so abjectly ignorant? Of course I’m skeptical of eating extract of venus flytrap as any miracle cure or even as therapy treatnent. The only (legal) supplement I’ve tried that actually consistently works as claimed is mitragyna speciosa – kratom.
I hope new research by more than just American labs or independent institutions can clarify the Carnivora question.
And, I want to thank you for helping me save the forty-some dollars I could’ve wasted on Carnivora. Forty-some dollars can buy a decent amount of kratom or marijuana (also legal in my state)
Thanks,
Chip
Joe Cannon says
Chip, thanks for sharing your thoughts. About kratom, while Im glad its been working for you, I would be careful if you take any other supplements or meds. Ive written about kratom research and as far as I know, there isn’t much human testing or established dosing instructions.
Here are a few reviews I’ve done on Kratom
Kratom research
Kratom salmonella reports (video). I dont hear about this anymore but it was a thing once.
Death from kratom?
Is kratom addictive?
I know the deaths associated with kratom are controversial and involve those taking other meds/drugs. I wish we knew more about its interactions with medications. Unfortunately, the young man who first told me about kratom several years ago has since died while taking it. The only other things he was taking was the nicotine patch and pre-workouts.
If you decide to try Carnivora, I hope you will let me know what happens. Im always curious.
Joanie says
Can carnivora repair end renal failure?
Joe Cannon says
Hi Joanie, I’m not aware of any clinical evidence for this. Does anyone else have insights?
Jody C Sinex Jr says
It is refreshing to see competent research on supplements. I am an older male pursuing a master of medical science Physician assistant degree. I love your use of research and pursuit of citations from peer reviewed sources. Keep up the great work!
Jody C Sinex Jr says
Also, what would you recommend for rheumatoid arthritis in the supplement world? I am currently taking a laundry list of natural supplements including a testosterone precursor that seems to help with energy greatly.
Joe Cannon says
Jody, so if you not yet exercising, I would suggest that. Even a little bit of exercise can help RA. There are a few studies showing exercise in the water can help too. I don’t think intense exercise is the way to go. Gentle exercise is better. If you are going to do resistance training, then Im a fan of total body circuit training programs.
As for supplements, fish oil gets the most attention I’ve seen. Another supplement is called “thunder god vine.”
Joe Cannon says
Thank you so much, Jody, I really appreciate your kind words. Much success in getting your PA degree 🙂
John says
I have been duped by the carnivora people at least I think it more than likely
monica clark says
Thank you for your diligent research into Carnivora. I have wanted to try the product, but was hoping for more info on the herb before I do. I have fibromyalgia and chemical sensitivities and thought this product help me.
Joe Cannon says
Thanks, Monica. Have you looked at the supplement, ribose for fibromyalgia. Several have told me it’s helped them
Here is the ribose fibromyalgia review
If you try it, let me know how it goes
daniel delprincipe says
parents generation has cancer deaths all over. The family smoked like chimneys. I don’t smoke, seldom drink, fair-skinned and have
lesions on my skin I clip with clippers until they stop growing …. sometimes for years.
Started taking Carnivora liquid and lymph March 2019, I have taken 1 dropper daily, 1 time, when waking up, Sundays off, 1 bottle each, for about 30 days, and take a couple of months off.
Result … skin has no more growths and is smooth.
Related, I think so !
Joe Cannon says
Daniel, really glad to hear that! I’m curious, did you ever see a dermatologist about those skin lesions?
Linda says
Excellent article. I’ve been considering this supplement for a few weeks after hearing it advertised on Coast to Coast (which I listen to at night to fall asleep because it’s so kooky). I appreciate the research and work that went into your article, and how easy it was to understand. Thank you.
Joe Cannon says
Linda, thanks so much. I like listening to Coast To Coast AM too 🙂
Carlos Peres says
Mr. Cannon, thank you so much for your Review of Research. It truly provided me with the information needed to make a decision about using Carnivora.
I used Carnivora and did not notice any improvements in my health (arthritis). I was very skeptical about continuing buying additional bottles due to the high price of it and its inefficiency.
Lastly, clearly, we should not believe its efficacy just because of its advertisement in high-rated late night radio shows. I wonder if some of the radio hosts have vested interests in the Carnivora company.
Many thanks for sharing your findings. Your research shows exactly what I think about the product. I will be saving a few dollars.
Joe Cannon says
Carlos, thanks for sharing and for what it’s worth I’m sorry it didn’t help you. While you didn’t say what type of arthritis you have I wonder if tried glucosamine sulfate (not glucosamine HCL)? Most of the research on that is on osteoarthritis.
Danny Binion says
I am considering taking Carnivora but this really caught my eye. I take MSM every day. It is a miracle supplement. I started taking it some time ago because I could not sleep on my right side because of the pain. I now can sleep anyway I wish. Side effects are smooth skin for one. I never want to be without MSM.
Joe Cannon says
Danny, people have told me good things about MSM. I’m really glad it is working for you. MSM does have research that it helps arthritis pain too. That’s interesting about having smooth skin. There is some evidence glucosamine can help wrinkles and age spots. Even topical glucosamine might work. Here’s a review on glucosamine and wrinkles you may find helpful.
If you try Carnivora I hope it helps you. Let me know what happens.
Carlos Peres says
Many thanks for your advice. Type of arthritis is Psoriatic Arthritis. Again, thank you for your time.
Joe Cannon says
Carlos, both psoriatic and rheumatoid arthritis are inflammatory in nature. There’s not much out there as far as natural treatments. My thining would be anything that can reduce inflammation might help. What other supplements are you taking?
Carlos Peres says
Sir, regarding supplements I am taking turmeric and oil of oregano. Regarding Rx medications I am taking a biologic called Consentyx (one injection monthly) in combination with methotrexate (6 pills on Saturdays; 2.5 MG each pill). I truly do not like taking them because if the Psoriatic Arthritis will not kill me, the mentioned medication will.
Joe Cannon says
I understand your frustration Carlos.
Jody C Sinex Jr says
Inflammation is not the enemy. Healing is occurring as it is an immune system response. I am training to be a physician and have learned that we cover up symptoms rather than treat the root problem. I feel that natural supplements couple with exercise are the best medicine for most issues.
I am a 50-year-old who has prescribed exercise in every practice prescription I have written in college. I took my own advice and have started exercising 30 minutes a day. I went from needing a shoulder replacement to full range of motion in less than six months from the exercise alone. Never underestimate the value of exercise. The beauty part is that you start to crave it after a few weeks.
James says
Additional thought to my prior post on Carnivora: I checked on Amazon for reviews from their buyers. The review percentages are as follows.
5 star: 73%, 4 star: 8%, 3 star: 9%, 2 star: 4%, 1 star: 6%
Carnivora ratings on Amazon
James says
In my research on the subject, while there appear to be no positive monitored clinical studies, I also can not find any negative reviews from disgruntled buyers/users. Keep in mind that every individual’s body is a different set of criteria, and not all protocols have the same effect on everyone – just look at pharma meds to affirm this.
I can, however, relate to all that my brother in law was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and was given 2 to 3 months to live. I embarked on a crash research endeavor to try to find him some help. The protocol I developed for him included 3 times a day dosage of Carnivora, along with other substances I found on cancerfightingstrategies.com for pancreatic cancer.
His next follow up with the doctors showed a marked reduction in his blood cell T count. The doctors were quite amazed and recommended that he continue ‘whatever he was doing’, as they had neither prescribed nor administered any protocols for him because of the cancer’s advanced stage.
Unfortunately, he did not win his battle. His health slid but he did survive almost a year &, and half and the majority of that time period was fairly mobile & somewhat healthy.
Again, all I can relate is if you want to try it, may God be with you and I hope it can help you. I know what it would have been like in his condition without it.
Joe Cannon says
James, I am very sorry to read about the loss of your brother. I also know what’s like to lose family members to cancer. It’s an ordeal I would not wish on anyone. You are a good brother to research natural therapies for your brother and Im so glad to learn you gave him extra time. I know he appreciated and loved you.
David Somers says
This disturbs me every time I hear the Carnivora ads on radio and I don’t think many people realize this is the case: In their research on immune modulation by this product in cats, they repeatedly give cats FIV (almost equivalent to giving humans AIDS) to see how they fare after ingesting Carnivora. They go on to say that 75% of the cats survived! Oh great, so 25% were killed.
In other words, Carnivora “research international,” in an effort to boost sales of their snake oil supplement kills innocent cats! I have enough of a problem with REAL pharmaceuticals being test in animals, but I draw the line at a phony product sold by showing how great they are by only killing 25% of their test subjects.
I am sending this and related documentation to the Animal Legal Defense Fund (aldf.org) to let them know of this disgusting practice!
Not necessary says
Dr. C. Joe Schneller passed in 2014 in his 72nd year. Did he stop using Carnivora I wonder?
Joe Cannon says
I’m so sorry to hear he passed.
Jerome Cohen says
You seem to be trying to do an honest review. Therefor I will comment. I have used carnivore and had A instant sense of well being. I was not taking it for any of the ailments you mention but I believe it saved me from an exposure to very harmfull substances. I would recommend it for anybody who needs help regardless of there problem.
Joe Cannon says
Jerome, thanks for sharing. I’m very glad to hear how Carnovora has helped you.
J.E.B. says
After all these years I see no reason why more studies to back makers claims seems extremely weak, don’t you think?
Joe Cannon says
JEB, I try to not pass judgement. I know research can take time to do. Lets see what the future brings.
Kristi Mills says
I have seen carnivoria work. I had a client with stage 4 prostate cancer. He was homeless and all he ate was canned peas. He started using carnivoria and went from 10,000 cancer cells per unit of blood to 7. He is now in “remission” even though he was not given any cancer medication for prostate cancer because he was 78 when the cancer was discovered.
I was his case manager.
I took him to all his appointments. He was given 6 months to live. 2 years later he is alive and in remission. I can’t explain it but I know it works because other than canned peas it was all he would ingest.
Joe Cannon says
Hi Kristi, thanks for sharing that story. That’s a great testimony. I’m really happy to hear Carnivora helped helped that man’s prostate cancer. Since you said he was homeless, I’m wondering if you could shed light on how he came to learn about carnivora and afford it? Did someone buy it for him?
Flossie says
Maybe it was the canned peas that were the trick . . .
Joe Cannon says
Flossie, I wish Kristi had replied back. I was really curious to learn more.
Stella's Mom says
Studies conducted by pharma, including peer review, are worthless as pharma have and are currently being caught in deception, fraud and lies as their common MO. The people who are pharma are the NWO satanic cabal and the Nazis. Their goals are to harm and destroy us and God’s creation – not to help. Look into eugenics, DNA alteration and you’ll learn their true agenda. Plenty of info online for those who take the time to research. Our family chooses God’s remedies over toxic chemicals, drugs and vaccines. As He says, “Choose life.”
Jody C Sinex Jr says
You are confusing honest research with biased “research.” Writing papers for college and reading those papers, people often confused such fake research as real. Their grades reflected as much. True research is unbiased. The type of research Mr. Cannon is talking about is legit. Always look for double-blind, peer-reviewed (which means the journal has been reviewed by top doctors and researchers in the field), and for academic purposes rather than company-funded.
Company-funded research hires cheerleaders who will skew results rather than use the scientific method. To use a blanket statement to label all research as faulty is completely unfair. A good way to find reputable research is to use Google Scholar as your search engine. Keep a medical dictionary handy as many of the terms are above most people’s pay grade.
TAMATHA LEWIS says
I am very skeptic about getting this but then i have a high % chance of having cancer from my genetic family that had cancer and passed so yeah i wanna try this and if i continue to stay with this product and is it going to cost me 39.95 plus 6. 00 every 3 months or ?
Joe says
Hi Tamatha, I just checked and $39.95 looks like the cost for a 3 month supply of Carnivora capsules. If you go back to the review, I updated it with the prices if you purchase, 2 bottles up to 10 bottles at a time.
You also reduce your risk of cancer if you eat a more plant-based diet. Studies show eating more fruits, veggies, seeds and beans are associated with fewer cancers.
Here’s proof: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3048091/
Exercise has also been associated with fewer cancers. You don’t have to do a lot either. Even if you just took a walk a few times a week can help. Dont underestimate the power of eating well and exercise.
Here’s proof : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23909073
I hope some of this helps Tamatha. If you have any other questions, just ask.
Eugene says
Hi Joe:
You can see a more complete story about Laetrile here:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/10/18/laetrile-cancer-research-cover-up.aspx
Ralph Moss was the whistle blower who used to work for New York’s Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. He could not keep quite about the Laetrile research that was being swept under the rug:
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“Dr. Kanematsu Sugiura7 spent most of his career at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, authoring more than 250 papers and receiving numerous awards, including the highest honors from the Japan Medical Association for outstanding contributions in cancer research.
While studying Laetrile, which was previously written off as “quack medicine,” Dr. Sugiura discovered Laetrile to have very positive effects in preventing the spread of malignant lung tumors in laboratory mice.
In control groups, which received only plain saline, the lung tumors spread in 80 to 90 percent of the animals. But in those given Laetrile, the tumors spread in only 10 to 20 percent.8”
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This makes for very interesting reading. Especially since Sloan Kettering fired Mr. Moss for not keeping quiet about this and did their best to ruin Dr. Sugiura’s reputation. Neither of them backed down.
In the above 2014 article, you will see further references to more recent studies on Laetrile and that it indeed has an effect against cancer. It might not cure cancer, but definitely slows it down drastically so when coupled with other treatments, it could give the cancer patient a better chance of survival.
Joe says
Hi Eugene,
According to this 1977 report in the New York Times, in mice experiments, “the addition of laetrile (to cancer drugs) didn’t seem to cause toxicity or impair the drugs benefits benefits.” I wonder if this is why they stated laetrile was found effective to cancer? Effective when combined with cancer drugs? I’m not sure; it was just a thought which occurred me as I read this: https://www.nytimes.com/1977/06/16/archives/fouryear-test-of-laetrile-finds-no-evidence-it-can-cure-cancer.html
As for Dr. Mercola, I don’t trust his website. There, I said it. One example is on the link you provided. In that article, Dr. Mercola states “Contemporary Laetrile Studies Confirm Sugiura’s Work” that laetrile works. OK, and he lists these 5 bullet points as proof:
1. August 2014: In a new German study, amygdalin dose-dependently reduced growth and proliferation of bladder cancer12
2. May 2013: Amygdalin inhibits renal fibrosis in chronic kidney disease; researchers conclude it is a “potent antifibrotic agent that may have therapeutic potential for patients with fibrotic kidney diseases”13
3. February 2013: Amygdalin induces apoptosis in human cervical cancer cells; authors conclude it may offer a new therapeutic option for cervical cancer patients14
4. August 2006: Amygdalin also induces apoptosis in human prostate cancer cells15
5. February 2003: Amygdalin from Prunus persica seeds (peach pits) shows anti-tumor effects comparable to epigallocatechin gallate in green tea16
Each bullet has a hyperlinked number at the end (12,13,14,15,16). These should be study reference numbers. Clicking on those numbers should reveal the study hes referencing.
When I clicked on those numbers, it took me back to the same webpage you originally showed me!
Where are the studies?
It’s stuff like that which makes me not trust him. You click links in my reviews and I show you my references. Where are his? Regardless, if you look closely at those 5 bullet points, they all appear to me to be in vitro studies – cell studies. After 40 years, don’t you think we’d be up to doing human studies of laetrile by now?
Dr Mercola and laetrile coverup documentaries not withstanding, here’s what I’d like to see:
1. are the rates of cancer in Mexico are lower than the us? If laetrile works and is still being used in Mexico, then the cancer rate should be lower.
2. Human clinical studies showing laetrile cures cancer. It’s been 40 years. Surely somebody in Mexico – or somewhere else has published human studies by now? How about those Second Opinion people? Have they commissioned any human trials? How about Dr. Mercola? He makes money, has he commissioned any clinical trials of laetrile? Has anybody else?
Eugene, you have made me curious. Look for my review Laetrile research in the near future. I remember this stuff growing up but have never done a deep dive into the clinical research. I am now. I’ll post my review and try to add something to this discussion.
Eugene says
Hi Joe:
There must be something wrong with your web browser. When I click on the reference numbers, I get this (I added the URLs for your convenience):
12 PLoS One August 2014
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25136960
13 Mol Med Rep. May 2013
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23525378
14 Immunopharmacol Immunotoxicol. February 2013
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23137229
15 Biol Pharm Bull. August 2006
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16880611
16 Biol Pharm Bull. February 2003
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12576693
Ralph Moss is an extremely honest person and Sloane Kettering wanted him to cover up the actual results of the Laetrile testing. In refusing to do this, he lost his job there.
You can contact Mr. Moss here at his website:
http://www.cancerdecisions.com/
He specializes in helping people find cancer treatments that may be the best treatments for their particular type of cancer. This would include conventional, integrative, experimental, complementary, dietary, and alternative cancer treatments.
Here is what this article had to say about Laetrile’s effectiveness:
https://beta.prx.org/stories/135047/details
SECOND OPINION: LAETRILE AT SLOAN-KETTERING — Eric Merola and Dr. Ralph Moss Interview
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What Dr. Moss discovered was that although Laetrile was not a cure, it was a valuable palliative, stopping the progress of tumors, and offering significant pain relief. Instead of pursuing that line of research, Sloan-Kettering shut it down, virtually changing its position on the drug overnight, and giving Laetrile the bad reputation that is has had to this day.
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Back to me.
Here is a very short video where you can hear Ralph Moss state what happened in his own words:
http://www.secondopinionfilm.com/
The following video is also very enlightening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJDWOBIcF0Y
Laetrile At Sloan-Kettering | Eric Merola & Ralph W. Moss, PhD | Liz Saint John | Sept. 2014
In the above video he mentions how effective Laetrile truly is. The icing on the cake was how Sloane Kettering treated Dr. Sugiura who was a highly respected Dr. as I mentioned in my 1st posting above. I think he had something like 60 years of experience, so he was no dummy and no scammer. He was actually shocked to see how effective Laetrile was.
Thanks for checking this all out. I think the more you dig, the more you will find.
Joe says
Hi Eugene, OK, this makes more sense. It was my mistake. When I saw the numbers on Dr Mercolas site, I right clicked on them to open them in a new tab. I always do that. I did not know if I left clicked on the numbers, I’d be directed to the bottom of the page where the references were linked. I really appreciate you clearing this up for me because I was really confused 🙂
Thanks for providing the study links. I have looked at all of them. All the studies are investigates of isolated cells. One study also involved mice.
For me, that’s odd. After over 40 years, has anybody has published a study where laetrile was given to people with cancer to see if it cured them or prolonged their lives? That’s the type of study I want to see.
I’m definitely curious to learn more. I hope to have a review of laetrile published soon.
Eugene says
By the way Joe, I just noticed in the older comments that there was a post made by another person named Eugene. I am not that person. Just wanted you to know!
I made the 2 recent posts (SEP 2018) regarding the controversy about Laetrile. No other posts except this one and perhaps future ones.
🙂
Joe says
Eugene, thanks for clearing that up 🙂 I get a lot of Joes commenting too so sometimes people think I’m them 🙂